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To wonder how people get addicted to prescription drugs?

81 replies

popcornwizard · 14/11/2018 11:33

Just that really. I've been given a few bottles of oramorph for pain relief. It works, I can see how people get addicted to its warm fuzzy, but the complete inability to function must of the time is very frustrating. So how does the addiction thing happen? Do people lie about the pain? Or would the GP keep prescribing it if I staged a sit in and made demands? Or is it acquired by illegal methods? Never really given it much thought, just hear the 'addicted to prescription drugs' phrase bandied about.

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DGRossetti · 14/11/2018 15:49

The withdrawal program differs from rehab to rehab, at the discretion of the individual doc, if you go that route. We had one lady who it took four months inpatient to withdraw from 800 mg of diazepam daily. Trying to go any faster could have killed her.

There are people on DWs MS group that are still tapering after 10 years.

As I said, Benzos change the brain chemistry. Really change the brain chemistry.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/side-effects/201011/brain-damage-benzodiazepines-the-troubling-facts-risks-and-history-minor

At 30 years (and counting) no doctor is ever going to work with DW to quit her benzos.

LakieLady · 14/11/2018 15:52

I developed painkiller dependency very quickly, when I was in hospital because of a knee injury.

I can't recall what I was prescribed, but within a few days I was terribly weepy, agitated and irritable for an couple of hours before thedrug trolley was due. A friend who was close to completing acupuncture training came and geve me acupressure for the pain, which worked really well, and I came off the prescibed painkillers over a couple of days.

Now, I'm prescribed codeine and gabapentin for joint and spinal problems. I only ever take the codeine at night, and never for more than 2 consecutive nights. I'm shit scared of ending up dependant on it.

BarbaraofSevillle · 14/11/2018 15:53

Cocodamol addicts can just buy them without prescription from any pharmacy too.

And unless you live in the middle of nowhere, you just rotate round all the available pharmacies so no-one notices how many you're buying.

Pharmacists may ask rudimentary questions about why you're taking them and for how long, but if you want/need the medication, you just tell them what they want to hear and they'll sell them to you no problem.

Flashingbeacon · 14/11/2018 16:01

@Pomfluff thanks. I was feeling really crap and all I know is they didn’t make feel any better. I have never had much success with anaesthetic either.
Anyway not in a rush to test out my resistance.

SpitefulMidLifeAnimal · 14/11/2018 16:03

Well I'm stuck with my Co-Codamol (30 mg/500 mg) until I find a med which helps my RA. I usually take 6-8 tablets daily. I suppose I probably am dependent on them but it's either that or be in constant agony.

You can only get CoC containing up to 15mg of codeine (I think..) without prescription - anything stronger and you need to see the GP.

I don't experience any high from them though, just pain relief and my GP dishes out as many as I need. I did raise concerns about addiction a couple of months ago and was advised not to martyr myself as I have a clinical need for then and I'd be doing a tapered withdrawal when the time came to stop.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 14/11/2018 17:27

I was going to come on here and recommend that Guardian article that has been linked up-thread - some really interesting points on how high doses of opiods might actually heighten sensitivity to pain, which in addition to the problem of tolerance, and the risk of addiction, undermines the whole point of them in the first place.

www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/08/the-making-of-an-opioid-epidemic

Severide08 · 14/11/2018 17:40

I have a chronic pain condition but the nature of it is that painkilllers ,codeine,tramadol aren't really that effective . I have tramadol i can take on a really bad pain day as it can fluctuate but i tend not too .I have done a intensive pain management course and the consultants were more for you try avoid them as much as you can for the exact reason Ihaventgottimeforthis states. But i can fully understand people taking them and how you can get addicted. Constant pain is horrendous and i would never judge anyone.

easyandy101 · 14/11/2018 17:51

Trying to meet an addiction with otc cocodamol is a challenge tbh

You might tick over, but as a source of codeine, even when it's washed up you get next to fuck all at 8mg per dose, even washing multiple packs and you don't remove all the paracetamol so the more you wash you end up with an unsafe amount left

Bombardier25966 · 14/11/2018 17:56

I take codeine everyday but am not addicted, I’d withdraw but that’s a chemical change rather than dependence. I don’t get the fuzzy feeling now but it still works, seven plus years down the line. I’ve taken stronger and come off fine. But I’m lucky I don’t have the tendency to addiction.

Are the words of an addict. Sorry, they are. Addiction is a chemical change.

I'm addicted to a benzo. My GP kept prescribing them when I was very ill but couldn't access secondary care. I was aware of the possibility of addiction but said I could come off them whenever I wanted to, but I didn't need to. Then I tried, it was impossible. I've just accepted I'll be on them forever now.

sossages · 14/11/2018 17:58

DH once became accidentally addicted to codeine. The GP just kept prescribing it on repeat and neither of us had any idea it was addictive. When it came to time to stop taking them it coincided with returning to work after a long absence; he had a really bad time mentally but we assumed it was just because his manager was being an arse about the time off. It was only a couple of years later that we saw a piece on the news about painkiller addiction and it clicked that he'd been going through withdrawal!

zenasfuck · 14/11/2018 17:59

Addiction is complicated. I took 8 x 30mg codeine tablets a day every day for 4 years. Then Just stopped - no withdrawal, no issues at all.

I can take diazepam for weeks on end and just stop with no issue

My friend took cocodomol after she hurt her back for two weeks and is now an addict who will go to great lengths to get those tablets

HavelockVetinari · 14/11/2018 18:06

Addiction is so sad, I think a lot of people think people should be able to control themselves as though it's just an issue of willpower like resisting a delicious cake. It's a lot more complicated than that. I was anorexic as a teen and it's the same type of thing.

Some people are more susceptible than others to various things - for example, some people love oramorph, but I hallucinated horribly and refused it after the first dose. I'd rather be in pain than feel like that!

blueangel1 · 14/11/2018 18:21

@HavelockVetinari I was given Distalgesic/Co-proxamol years ago after a road accident. They killed the pain but I hated the bloody things as they made me feel completely out of it. They're discontinued in the UK now but available in other countries.

Accountant222 · 14/11/2018 18:25

I take cocodomol for my rheumatoid arthritis, I've been able to drop from 10 tablets a day, down to two, with no problems

user1533903238 · 14/11/2018 18:35

I’ve worked in substance abuse and encountered many people who illicitly obtain Benzos and prescription optiates. Patients who are prescribed subutex or methadone are initially always on daily pickups at the pharmacy, to try and stop them selling their prescriptions. Not everyone on this substitute prescription is or was using heroin, I’ve seen plenty who have only ever used ‘prescription’ opiates, nearly always illicitly. The amount of diazepam and pregabljn that will show up on drug screens but isn’t prescribed shows how big the street market for these drugs is.

Pluckedpencil · 14/11/2018 19:01

There was a good women's hour interview about this. The woman explained that she was a professional and mother and convinced herself it couldn't be addiction, but then added she had had a previous illegal drug addiction so I guess there may have already been a massive catalyst there from her teen years. They way she got addicted was by using up the 6 month prescription in three months and then claiming she had lost it, until she was eventually sourcing them online.....

exWifebeginsat40 · 15/11/2018 17:52

i just wanted to add - i’m an alcoholic (4.5 years sober) but have never abused my prescribed meds.

i have arthritis and more mental health diagnoses than you can shake a stick at, so i don’t see me ever getting ‘cut off’. i keep to my side of the bargain - i don’t drink, i take my meds as prescribed and i see my doctors regularly.

but. my psych Care Plan says i am not to be permitted to ‘stockpile’ meds after an OD a few years ago. nobody ever, ever refers to this Care Plan aside from my psychiatrist, and i’m not sure that the Pain Clinic even took note that i have one.

so i don’t think it’s very joined-up. which could be dangerous, i guess. but hey ho. i just keep on trucking.

bringbackthestripes · 15/11/2018 18:13

I have co codamol - prescription strength- on repeat for arthritis. I only take it when the pain is so excruciating it’s driving me batty, so two or 3 days together at most, then just put up with the agony and take simple paracetamol then back again to co codamol .....and on it goes. I would love to be pain free but the fear of addiction is stopping me taking the medication as often as I need. I also don’t want to get so used to it that it stops working and I end up on something stronger. I know the dr would keep giving me as many repeat prescriptions as I need, it’s not like my arthritis is going to be suddenly cured.

How did that lady who got put in prison in Egypt manage to stockpile 290 Tramadol? The cost of that to the NHS when it was clearly something she didn’t need is shocking!

Ammy82 · 16/11/2018 00:15

To wonder how people get addicted to prescription drugs?
Same reason you get addicted to any other drug?

LuckyDiamond · 16/11/2018 00:19

I was on 180mg Dihydrocodeine a day a few weeks ago. They did nothing for the pain and fucked my ability to function normally. After about a month of them I binned them.

Evil stuff. I feel for anyone who finds themselves addicted to them.

MrMeSeeks · 16/11/2018 00:21

Because some people dont get the fuzzy feeling, nor get drouzy?
Morphine, nor other drugs have never knocked me out

Biber · 16/11/2018 00:54

My personal experience is that it takes quite a lot of persistance to get past the feeling sick and horrible phase of using co-codamol. I had 30/500s for sciatica and a prolapsed disc some years ago. The trouble with it is that one builds a tolerance and the drug stops being so effective. Even though it never totally kills the pain, it does help a lot. When tolerance builds the choice is to up the dose or get it out of our system for a few days and then go back on it.

I was lucky not to get addicted but there were times when I quite enjoyed the warm fuzzy. Others in my family have not been so lucky.

There is a genetic component to addiction and this certainly showed in my family, that one side was the one with the greater tendency to addiction. www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/genetics-epigenetics-addiction

dontgobaconmyheart · 16/11/2018 02:37

I think its a matter of perspective tbh, i don't think anyone sits there and goes " do you know what, this feels good, i'll carry on" so much as when you are in pain that is actually debilitating the appropriate treatment for that is pain relief, many of which can cause dependency.
This can be either, or both, that you are unable to stop taking the pain relief due to pain levels being so severe without it you cannot reasonably stop, or as others have pointed out, you are physically 'addicted' - aka your body has slowly adjusted to the drug and reacts very poorly if it is suddenly withdrawn, and so you 'need' to take the drug to restore normality.
It is also the case for many other drugs such as antidepressants, or bowel motility drugs, or even thyroid medications, but people don't seem to view people taking those quite so negatively and make assumptions about how there was an element of choice to that dependency, or that they continued a medication for a 'high' and fancied a repeat, which really, is pretty offensive to those who live with chronic and unbearable pain relative so someone who took a short course as a one off and got better.

Lower level things like codeine/co-codamol are problematic because they only take 3 days to create a dependency and are available OTC. GP's dish them out as a first port of call because they kill pain effectively in most cases and are cheap as chips, but long term use of them for pain conditions actually not only makes pain worse, but also creates a dependency which is hard to withdraw from- terrible headaches, seizures, worsening of pain, unpleasant physical sensations etc.

I currently only take one form of pain relief for a serious chronic pain condition but have taken most things, for varying amounts of time. I have never had to 'ask' a GP for anything past the point of stating I am in severe pain, them seeing why ( serious medical condition) and they will give a long term prescription, as is correct.

Chronic pain is very different to acute pain, with acute pain most doctors wouldnt give you more than a weeks worth before you would need to go back in and discuss it, but in reality i find they do just dish out whatever gets rid of you, especially as waits for further investigations for pain are so long. I assume it is easy enough to pretend you are in pain and ask for some and get them, anyone who does that- more fool them, but pain is basically invisible isn't it, unless the GP can easily see the reason and gauge what is needed and for how long- so it is guesswork if the alleged pain has no obvious cause. It is also very easy to just visit several pharmacies and buy OTC tablets in each if you were inclined, say you lost prescriptions, say you need extra for a holiday, there is a great deal of theft from store cupboards in medical settings even with rigorous checkings. I've returned months worth of codeine etc to pharmacies before where GP's have just stuck it on repeat but i either do not need it or am not taking it anymore and the repeat prescription is never checked by them. It would be so easy to stockpile and sell ( obviously would not in a million years ever do this).

There is a real stigma about prescription pain dependency as though people who take it long term are drug addicts or lesser intellectuals for doing so which i find very sad. As someone who has on/off taken several and now needs one to function, literally, i can add into the conversation that the side effects are appalling, i have never in my life enjoyed a 'high' from anything i have ever taken- mostly it results in vomiting/dizziness/fatigue/constipation/headaches etc- nothing desirable about it long term.

LesserofTwoWeevils · 16/11/2018 03:42

I've been taking a benzodiazepine for years. For mental, not physical pain. No idea if I'm addicted, don't care. I wouldn't be here without it, couldn't get through the day. I barely manage as it is.

And no it doesn't make anything fuzzy. Just bearable. Just.

I just wish I could get hold of it more easily than the tiny amount my doctor prescribes.

Unicyclethief · 16/11/2018 03:49

Yes, sharing prescription drugs is rife.