New police guidelines

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New police guidelines were posted today. They are intended to be inclusive. Specifically, that means that:
Male-bodied officers that ID as female with be able to search women (currently only women officers can search women).
Male-bodied people who ID as female (like Karen White) who commit crimes - including violent or sexually abusive crimes - will be recorded as female.
'Hate crime' will continue to include religion, race, gender, but will not include sex i.e. misogyny.
AIBU to be furious that women are being ignored in all this?

It’s a profession, a search will be professional. Same would apply in medicine. It’s professional, part of a heavily scrutinised job. Why is it any more of a risk ?

i have my own issues with the daily fail. they are notoriously anti police anyway. any police. gay straight men women -whatever.

but im not genuine! apparently! so i shall bow out of this discussion. this is one i will not win and recognise that! police can seach anyone regardless of gender id. if its for the job it can be justified. gender is a bit of a side issue really.
i was just trying to say its still a male dominated job with not many minorities - that is my experience and as a woman in the job im very much a minority.
good night x

And if you nick a bloke in a dress on a Saturday night and misgender her, don't expect the Federation to help.

There are posts on twitter (from people who should know) that suggest these guidelines don't actually adhere to current laws. Which would be even more bewildering. Who commissioned this I wonder? And why? What actual problem is it meant to address and how come the police don't know what the law is?
I'll try to find out more...

There is another thread on this as well

Its talking about intimate seraches but i havent read the links so dont know how true that is

Where is the other thread?

Feminist chat

I think this is a link www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3423318-Male-police-officers-can-intimately-search-women-New-guidance

Cheers, thanks for linking it rufus

Do you honestly think that some man would actually go through the mind fuck of deciding to identify as a woman, as a police officer just to feel up women?

If it's not an issue, is in no way reflective of the police and will never happen (so shut up about it)

……….. why has it today been issued in Police Guidance?

Seems a bit odd to specifically state that any officer who IDs as female can search women just randomly.

And I don't care if it arises once in a blue moon, it's removing women's existing rights to be searched, possibly intimately, by another woman. This implies women must accept intimate contact based on a male born person's subjective sense of himself at the time. (For example gender fluid police officer Callum/Abi, who has both a male and female warrant card depending on how Callum/Abi sees themselves that day.)

No. Not ok with this being written into official, publicly shared guidelines, which makes it clear that yes, the police do expect it to happen.

The police will have to have a policy and guidelines about this issue, as to if they are right or wrong I truly have no idea.

But in reality, it will most likely never happen.

So it's ok to have (really appalling) official, written guidance that removes women's right to bodily privacy so long as in reality it will (probably) never happen? Seriously?

Why would guidance be written for a situation that probably won't arise? Are the guidance writers just churning out random unnecessary and anti women guidance and releasing it to notify the general public just to keep themselves busy?

Did I say that?

They have to have guidance as it is a situation that potentially may arise.

So it may, in reality, happen.

To a woman.

Who may or may not be ok with being intimately searched by a male who identifies as a woman, for a whole variety of reason. And you're ok with that?

Will you stop staying to put words in my mouth?

Under the guidelines, has the woman a right to refusal? You've fuck all rights as a prisoner anyway. They can do what they like.

But in reality, it will most likely never happen.

Oh, like rapists in women’s prisons, you mean? Or paedophiles claiming they are trans going into women’s changing rooms in the hope of helping a 12 year old girl change her tampon?

You are very naive. These things have happened already. Odds are this will too.

There are plenty of openly gay male cops, and one or two transgender cops and famously one who slips between genders....

There are no restrictions I gender searches outside of custody. On the street it is necessary to search quickly to preserve evidence.

If clothing is removed then there are restrictions in place.

Naive? Hardly. I’m just loving all these words that are getting put into my mouth.

Who mentioned rapists in women’s prisons or girls changing tampons?

It’s a thread about police searching prisoners which is what I commented on.

You said it would never happen. Which is exactly what we’ve been told countless times about the other cases that could “never happen”. But did.

The possibility of intimate searches being carried out on women by male-bodied officers are high on my list of things to be worried/furious about. But on a more everyday level, the guidance states that misgendering someone or not accepting their self-ID'd gender is a hate crime. That implies that if I don't believe that a man can be a woman and say so, I've committed a hate crime.
This would turn the majority of the population into criminals.

It also means that trans women will be able to request a female police officer searches their womanly cock and balls doesn't it? I can't imagine there will be a queue for that....