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AIBU?

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In being incredibly annoyed with dd's nursery?

77 replies

silverfrog · 18/06/2007 21:03

This could end up being very long and ranty, so apologies in advance. DD is nearly 3, and goes to nursery 3 mornings a week. She has recently been diagnosed as ASD (but we have known for ages, the dx was a formality, and we told the nursery when we went for an open day and asked if they could cope). She is bright and funny, making great headway with language (her biggest problem, but she is improving steadily) and loves puzzles, colours and numbers and singing. She does not like play-doh, and is beginning to be interested in painting.

Dd can be difficult to cope with - she is, after all, 2 - but she is not impossible to manage, nor is she impossible to engage with or settle down to things.

Since dd moved out of the baby room last October (we didn't think she was ready, and had a meeting with the nursery to discuss where they assured us she was) we have been less and less happy with various issues. Dd took a long time to adjust to the new staff dealing with her (but we had stuff going on at home as well so was hard to tell what was affecting her) but I just don't feel that the staff have got the measure of her at all.

Dd's paed recently asked for a report from the nursery to supplement her developmental assessment. We relayed the request, and nothing happened. I chased it up, and nothing happened. 6 weeks later, and this is what was sent (I had to push to get a copy as was originally told to get a copy off the paed ):

"XXXX has made some progress in some areas. She is still very repetitive, and has her rituals. Instead of lying by the door rolling around, she will now occasionally stand near an activity. She likes to throw toys on the floor but with guidance she will now put bricks back into the box.

XXXX still gets up from the lunch table and will not sit with the other children during story time or registration. She will occasionally concentrate on what staff are asking her to do.

XXXX shows no signs of wanting to join in with her peers in any activity, but she will go to a known member of staff and join in with an activity on a one-to-one basis.

We have recently introduced potty training although with little success. She has no understanding of why she has been sat on the potty.

Before the birth of her baby sister, XXXX would on occasion try and converse with the staff, although since the birth this has stopped."

I am, quite frankly shocked by the report. Whenever I pick her up, I ask how the morning has gone and invariably get told "she's been fine". The report written for the paed does not describe a child who is fine .

Dd does not lie on the floor rolling around unless extremely bored, will do almost anything to get someone to read a story, can certainly do more with bricks than just put them in the box, and is never quiet for a minute at home. Putting aside the fact that all children behave differently at nursery than they do at home, I find it very hard to believe that that report was written about my daughter.

We wrote to the nursery last week as dd had been awarded funds for an additional support worker which the nursery has done nothing about, and have since heard that they intend to do nothing as dd is leaving at the end of August (they have had the funds since April so dd will hae missed out on 5 months of extra help by that time).

We have not been told that she has stopped communicating with staff, nor that she was still getting up from lunch continually (she used to do this, then we were told that she had improved vastly after working with her on this). The potty training is a whole other issue as the nursery decided themselves to start this without consulting us and now dd is just thoroughly confused, poor thing.

I have a meeting set up with the nursery next week to try to resolve some of this, and wanted to check whether IABU to be upset by any of this? I admit that I sometimes lose perspective where dd is concerned - she is little, and generally confused due to ASD and I wonder whether I am just expecting too much to be kept informed as to her progress generally, and also whether IABU to expect the nursery staff to be able to connect with her at all?

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cat64 · 18/06/2007 23:46

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silverfrog · 19/06/2007 07:51

The report was apparently written by the head of the nursery school (although, since she has little contact with dd on a daily basis I suspect it was done by someone else and signed in her name) but as has been pointed out, it is hardly a professional report.

I have a meeting set up with the principal of the main school and the nursery manager for next week, but have little hope of getting more than platitudes and assurances that the staff have been working really hard with dd.

I will be ringing the LEA this morning to investigate the extra funding awarded to dd (have had little info form the nursery) and will have to take it from there.

I like the idea of taking someone along to the meeting - dh was keen to come, but as it i set up for 12pm it would mean a whole day off work, and he is already off on thurs next week for the meeting with dd's new school... I'll have a htink and see if there's anyone I could ask. I am already prepared to take notes of the meeting as I'm sure that this will not be the end of it.

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usandnosleep · 19/06/2007 08:46

I'm so sad for your DD

How about taking someone from your local authority? In our area (Hampshire) pre-schools are guided and offered support from an Early Years Advisor(based at the Early Education Child Care Unit), it would be appropriate for a parent to ask her/him to attend a meeting as a third party.

I hope the meeting goes well, if not could you cosider a nanny for the summer? One to one love and fun could be just what she needs.

amidaiwish · 19/06/2007 08:47

shocking.
big hugs to you & your dd. stay strong. no YANBU!

gess · 19/06/2007 08:53

You might be able to ask your local parent partnership - they mainly deal with school age children, but as your dd has nursery funding for 1:1 they may get involved (may depend a bit on the area). I think they helped me with ds1's nusery funding although I can't remember.....

gess · 19/06/2007 08:53

whoops not clear- I meant that parent partnership may be able to provide someone to come along to the meeting.

Aloha · 19/06/2007 09:08

I was being told my ds was "fine" or "OK" in reception every day (he's five, Aspergers) and he certainly seemed happy enough. Then, last week, out of the blue I get a call from the Head telling me he is unmanageable, the staff can't cope with him and can we take him out of school at lunchtimes
So you are not alone. Why don't they talk to us?

gess · 19/06/2007 09:51

I had the same in mainstream school 'fine fine' then the annual review where the report said that ds1 was kicking, hiitting, scratching & headbutting staff. I knew about the scratching - knew nothing about the rest (which was caused by their blasted mismanagement anyway). I did make a point of saying that I knew nothing about any of this and needed to be told at the anual review (15 people in the room there including LEA officials). I then sent in a behaviour chart for them to fill in every day. They were aksing for restraint training fgs for a 5 year old. From 'fine' to restraint training.

He moved schools shortly afterwards and now I get a proper home school book each day which the info in.

kslatts · 19/06/2007 10:08

YANBU. That's terrible, I am particulary shocked that a nursery would start potty training when you had said that you didn't feel your dd is ready.

silverfrog · 19/06/2007 10:11

Have just spent 5 mins on the phone to the LEA, and aside from being told by the receptionist that they may not be able to give me the info I am asking for (will tackle that when I speak to the right person - all I want to know is how much funding awarded and the period of time the funding covers) I have an assurance the right person will call me back this pm. Doesn't seem to have been too difficult so far (although I realise job not done yet) yet it took dd's nursery 7 weeks to get to this point - how can this be? Are they unable to operate a telephone ?

Am not sure that I would want someone I don't know in the meeting with me, just a personal feeling. Sadly, dd's early years SENCO isn't available, although she is going down this Friday to discuss various things. I am mostly concerned about keeping my cool when they start spouting nonsense about how they are doing their best for dd - I do not see how letting an ASD child retreat into their own world for hours on end is doing the best for them, especially since dd is so easy to play with - she is absolutely desperate to communicate with people, and loves stories and puzzles.

I suspect the problem is she doesn't like messy play as much, and has little traditional play skills (pretend play etc) which is what the nursery would rather she was doing, but since all she craves atm is either music (nursery rhymes etc) or wooden inset puzzles I'm not really seeing how there could be much of a problem...

Aloha - I saw your thread about your ds and was too. It made my heart sink actually, as I envisaged many years of similar treatment... Agree that what is mostly needed is better communication from the schools involved - surely it is obvious that it is better to keep on top of managing behaviours rather than let them escalate to the point of the school not being able to cope?

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Aloha · 19/06/2007 10:17

Well, I sent ds off on the school trip to the seaside with dh as parent helper. He was so sweet, packing his 'books to read on the beach'. He's his mother's son alright!
He took Alice in Wonderland, French nursery rhymes, The Ladybird Book of Seashore Life and 100 Best Poems for Children - unteachable my arse.

silverfrog · 19/06/2007 10:32

He sounds lovely Aloha. Dd is the same - if she has a book to read (The Gruffalo is her current fave) then all is right with the world...

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silverfrog · 20/06/2007 10:34

It just keeps getting worse... I dropped off dd this morning and one of the staff was keen to talk to me. It turns out they had "a bit of a breakthrough" with dd yesterday (funny that, when I picked her up I just got told the usual"she's been fine" ) and dd had wandered over to some toys, picked one up and actually looked at it! For a whole 10 minutes !

What on earth have they been expecting from her, if this is what they are impressed by?! I could honestly weep. Has she really been spending all her time there doing literally nothing?

I am beginning to suspect that following my meeting next week, dd may very well not be going back there at all. I'm just not sure how we can possibly turn around this situation

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frogs · 20/06/2007 12:29

silverfrog, do you want me to email dinosaur and point her in the direction of this? Your experience sounds v. similar to her ds1's experience at nursery.

MatNanPlus · 20/06/2007 13:08

Silverfrog,

It sounds like the nursery expect her to stimulate herself and leave them alone.

Huh, they had a 'breakthru' give me a break.

Hope the meeting is better than we all expect.

ekra · 20/06/2007 13:22

The report does not sound like it has been written by someone professional. My first thought is that it sounds like they might have written the report by checking off the points of an apptitude list for the 0-3 matters curriculum or whatever the one before Foundation stage is called.

Some of the things that they have said your DD doesn't do, might be within the normal range for all the other 2-3 year olds and so that is why they have never highlighted these things as concerns with you before.

Does that make sense?

mytwopenceworth · 20/06/2007 13:37

It reads to me like a Worst Case report for funding purposes tbh.

My 2 are autistic and I have read - and written - many reports on them. The angle you come from is different. It is all about highlighting any and all areas that there are difficulties in order to secure (justify) funding.

Because as we all know, if your child has 20 hours 1:1 and you sing their praises about how well they are doing, their support gets halved because "they don't need it" - when it's only because they HAVE it that they have got as far as they have, and if you take it away they are going to take a huge leap backwards.

But their communication with you needs to be addressed, it doesn't sound like they are working with you.

magnolia1 · 20/06/2007 13:40

Have only read the OP but it does sound like a very negative report Surely they could consentrate more on the positives??

mytwopenceworth · 20/06/2007 13:41

oh bloody heck, i missed that bit about them not getting the additional support in they were funded for. Formal complaint to the lea i think. they do not like it when money is diverted like this.

ekra · 20/06/2007 13:49

Yes, I missed that bit too. That's terrible.

CarGirl · 20/06/2007 13:50

I am really really shocked. My dd does not have special needs at all but was so painfully shy she didn't talk at pre-school at all for 2 terms - would they have just left her to her own devices too????????

Surely the whole idea is to meet children where they're at and encourage them to build their skills along their interests????? I would write a formal complaint to Ofsted once she has left.

Eebs · 20/06/2007 13:56

Awful report, written in a hurry probably with little thought for how it sounds. It sounds to me as though the nursery have little understanding of ASD and think that it is something that can be overcome. They think that looking at a toy for 10 mins or playing with other children is normal and therefore should be strived for. The aim is to ensure your dd is content, and that may not be achieved in the way they think it should be.

The staff need training in ASD. Your dd sees the world in a different way to them and they have to learn about that world. Her view of the world and theirs can coincide but at present they are trying to change her rather than understand her.

Extra slog for you but I am sure you can work this out with the nursery. Maybe a one to one with a senior member of staff, armed with information about ASD? Loads of luck

MatNanPlus · 20/06/2007 14:07

What makes me is that the nursery have yourselves a SENCO advising them and they are paying zero attention to that advise and could well be making things harder for dd with their actions.

Potty training because THEY decide is WRONG in my view.

ladygrinningsoul · 20/06/2007 14:55

Outrageous! How dare they start potty training without even telling you?

kickassangel · 20/06/2007 15:15

YANBU on any of your points! They clearly have no idea how to cope with SN. What's worse, they're not trying to learn. I think places like this should be reported to OFSTED. Your daughter has as much right to interactive play with other children. You have as much right to use a nursery for whatever your requirements are. Sadly, I think a lot of nurseries are excellent with 'normal' children but struggle to accomodate any differrences, they kind of get stuck in a rut & aren't sure how to proceed.

I was hoping that they had been 'negative' in their report to ensure further funding, but after their breakthrough comments it doesn't sound like it! Are you in a situation where you HAVE to send her to nursery? Is there any chance you could spend some time with staff showing them how to play with her?

My gut reaction - pull her out (if you can) and callin OFSTED!