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ExP not telling me about activites he has booked for DD,AIBU?

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Nelumbo · 04/11/2018 19:07

AIBU to be annoyed with ex partner, as according to him I am.

He bought horse riding lessons for her and didn't discuss with me first. I only knew from a message he sent her about it, therefore I have no idea when they start, what day or time this would be?

I didn't say anything as I wanted to avoid the argument, a few weeks later after hearing nothing about these lessons, he calls DD and says he will be round in 20mins to pick her up and make sure she is ready. No word to me earlier in the day or anything, I was actually planning to go out and was running a bit late, so if we had done we wouldn't of been about when he turned up!

Anyway again I didn't say anything save the argument.
But today he has annoyed again, by messing me about not letting me know what time he is coming over, which has caused a lot of upset with DD as she wanted to make plans with friends but I said she couldn't really as he was taking them out, but I didn't know what time, she has text and called him and still not got a clear answer. So I've had to deal with her strop.
He was arguing with me about that and how he does let me know what he is doing, so I brought up these lessons and I told him I don't think this is ok, as obviously I would need to make sure we are at home on the set day, so she is here and I can make sure she is ready when he comes to pick her up? I'm not saying he cant take her but isn't it just common courtesy to ask me if it would be ok?
He thinks I'm being totally unreasonable and has just had a massive row with me. He says I have been on at him to see them more regularly and on more set times and he is doing that and he is still wrong. Like I said I'm not saying he cant do it but if he has arranged and paid for these lessons then surely he should have checked I would be ok with being at home on that day every week?
The children live with me and I take full responsibly for them, he doesn't have them to stay with him and doesn't pay child maintenance.
I basically don't know when he will come round from one day to the next he just comes when he can and I might get a days notice at best, even then I don't know how long he going to be here.
I've asked him several times over the past few years to please be a bit more consistent and maybe have set days he comes so I can at least plan to go out sometimes but he wont just says I'm being difficult and 'at least he sees his kids as much as he can and he is a good dad' he does see them maybe 3 or 4 times a week on average I'd say but there is no consistency or set days.

Please tell me I'm not being unfair to be a little frustrated and annoyed with him as he is making me out to be this person who make his life so difficult!

In the nearly 4 years we have been separated we have had major fall outs over maintenance and him not coming over at the time he said he would (we have waited around time and time again and he could turn up hrs late) but then we get along fine for a while but I think the same frustrations build up again and we fall out, the pattern then continues.
I've tried my best to get along with him over the years for the kids sake but I don't think I can anymore and want to try and have as little contact now as possible specially now the kids are a bit older, as it feels like such a drain on me and its been a tough few years! I've been in tears this afternoon as I just cant take the same arguments anymore he will never change!

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MrsStrowman · 04/11/2018 19:11

The lack of maintenance and consistency nis unreasonable, although I don't think he needs to ask you about an activity, do you ask him about the activities you sign DD up for? The lack of routine here is the key, so if he had DD every Saturday and part of that was a riding lesson it would be fine, it's all the lack of notice, chopping and changing and paying for things like riding lessons and not maintenance that are the real problem.

Queenofthestress · 04/11/2018 19:11

How old is DD?

MacosieAsunter · 04/11/2018 19:15

I've asked him several times over the past few years to please be a bit more consistent and maybe have set days he comes so I can at least plan to go out sometimes but he wont just says I'm being difficult and 'at least he sees his kids as much as he can and he is a good dad' he does see them maybe 3 or 4 times a week on average I'd say but there is no consistency or set days.

There has to be consistency - its not fair on your daughter, she cant arrange play dates, you can t have organised activities either. What he is doing is trying to control you, make you dependent on him, and he can paint you as the obstructive person.

So you tell him when is convenient. and don't deviate. Can you afford a solicitors letter ?

GemmeFatale · 04/11/2018 19:15

Get child maintenance sorted.

Try and implement a contact routine. There is no reason for you to stay in on the off chance he may turn up to collect her. Likewise if he had called to say he would collect in 20 minutes and you were already out you aren’t obliged to run home to accommodate him.

category12 · 04/11/2018 19:15

Yanbu.

I think you're making a mistake saying your dd can't make plans with her friends tho - instead of expecting her to be at his disposal (when he's erratic and vague), let her make arrangements with her friends and he can fit in with those.

Stop waiting in and not arranging things yourself.

If he's late to an arranged pick-up, then go out.

If there aren't prior solid arrangements, then just live your life and do the things you want to do.

Godowneasy · 04/11/2018 19:19

Why haven't you applied to CMS for child maintenance?

As for his just turning up, I'd carry on with normal activities and allowing your daughter to go out with friends etc and disregard him if he can't inform you of his plans in advance. He's controlling you and you're in effect allowing it.

If he arrives at the house and dd isn't ready, make him wait outside until she is. Do you currently allow him in the house? Maybe you need to rethink this on the grounds that it's too invasive into your life.

If this fails, then go to mediation and then if neccessary, to court for a formal contact agreement.

Nousernameforme · 04/11/2018 19:24

Get maintenance and access properly sorted. Then any activities he wants to organise can be on his time.
Having said that surely the lessons are at the same time and day each week. So you should know when they are at least.

Lollypop701 · 04/11/2018 19:29

He is still controlling your own and your children’s lives whilst he does what he wants. Stop it. He either tells you and his children what’s going on and you agree. If not, he can pay for whatever he wants but no guarantee dc are available. But that’s his choice.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 04/11/2018 19:30

Why doesn't he pay maintenance? Can you contact cms?

He won't change. You are not unreasonable to be upset. But you can change how you react to it.

Carry on making your plans and doing what you want assuming he's not going to be there. You could always share a family calendar app with him if you want to keep him in the loop. Don't wait around for him. Don't tell your children not do do something with him in case he turns up. If he wants to see them and you've already booked something, a breezy 'oh that's a shame, we have plans, hopefully we'll be free next time'. And encourage him to make plans directly with them and for them to take some responsibility for making sure they are at home when riding lessons etc are on

Nelumbo · 04/11/2018 19:34

although I don't think he needs to ask you about an activity, do you ask him about the activities you sign DD up for?

Its not so much the activity in itself that's the issue, I would never stop him from doing anything he wants with them, but I have to accommodate it, as they live with me, so by not telling me any details how am I suppose to make sure she is here at home and ready to go by a set time? and also give up any plans I have to make sure she is here for him. if he asked me and gave me notice no problem but he called only her arranged with her and turned up 20mins later. It not a set day for him as he doesn't see them on set days

DD has just turned 12

Get child maintenance sorted
Ive tried, they chased him for a long while, finally managed to take payment from his wages, so he quit his job so they couldn't do it again. After that got to the point of a court order and he got so angry I had to tell them to back off, he was making me feel very very guilty

I think you're making a mistake saying your dd can't make plans with her friends tho

In terms of DD's plans with friends, it was more that I didn't want her friend to come over as she doesn't live that local and her parents would have to drop her and pick her up, so I didn't want them to do that and then it turned out she couldn't stay long.

I've tried being firm with him but its a losing battle, I don't want the tension and I don't want the kids to be affected, as they are when we argue.
If I say he has to come at a set time or day, he'll just say he cant do that and that I'm stopping him seeing his kids,

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RandomMess · 04/11/2018 19:38

So ultimately he's still controlling your life...?

JellySlice · 04/11/2018 19:38

He is controlling you. This is all about him. Not what is best for his child. It is all about him continuing to exert control over you.

itbemay · 04/11/2018 19:41

Get a regular arrangement in place don't put up with him dictating to you! As PP said he's controlling you.

StressedToTheMaxx · 04/11/2018 19:51

I was about to write, like the pop's this is his way of controlling you so you cannot make any firm plans of your own.
I would sit with him and ask him to pick 2 set days to commit to.
If he misses it tough not making are a visits etc and no changes.

StressedToTheMaxx · 04/11/2018 20:00

*pp's

Angrybird345 · 04/11/2018 20:12

Just do what you want if he won’t communicate.

Godowneasy · 04/11/2018 20:17

If he got so angry you had to call off cms, you must have felt very threatened.
You should have called the police at this stage and changed the locks and/ or sought legal advice with a view to getting an order to keep his distance.

I don't say this very often, but he sounds like a cunt.

You don't have to continue to let him control you.

category12 · 04/11/2018 20:19

But not being firm with him is also a losing battle - he just rides roughshod over you, doesn't pay child support and doesn't turn up to his dc reliably.

Why does it matter if he lies and rants and claims you're stopping him from seeing the dc? You wouldn't be. It would be a lie. If you have set days and set times, and he doesn't turn up or he turns up when it's not his time and you're not in or the dc are out, that's on him, not you.

He's bullying you. You need to reduce direct contact, use "grey rock" techniques on him and have those set times for contact, and stick to them.

GemmeFatale · 04/11/2018 20:49

You need to tell not ask.

Contact CMS and ask them to take child maintenance for you. If he quits that’s fine. They’ll find him at the next job and the next. If he harasses you call the police. If he guilt trips you remember this is for your child.

Ask your DD to pick when she’s like to see her dad. One weekday evening and EOW is usual but she’s 12 so she gets input. Let him know that’s when he can have access (eg now DD is almost a teenager she’s decided she’s like to plan her free time for honework, activities and friends. She’d like to see you Wednesday evenings, you can collect from school at 3.30pm or our house at 5/6/whatever works for her and drop her back before 10pm or into school Thursday morning). She waits ten minutes to be collected and if he doesn’t turn up or call she gets to continue her life as she wishes

Nelumbo · 04/11/2018 21:50

When we were separating and I was posting about it on here, I was getting responses saying he is controlling.
Even now he is making me feel like I'm in the wrong from bringing up the complete lack of communication re the riding lessons.

He messed me about so much over the majority of our relationship, when I had finally had enough and told him I wanted to separate he wouldn't accept it and would not leave, we had to endure another 3yrs of living together.

I ultimately know he is manipulative and very good at making me feel like I'm being unreasonable and very good at guilt tripping.

But I don't know how to deal with it

What is the grey rock technique category12

It is so tiring and I feel so drained by it all now. I've tried to give him space and time to sort his shit out, but its been years now and its the same story.

Should I just cut as many ties as possible and only communicate by text and not get emotionally involved with his issues (he phones everyday still, we have argued about that aswell as Ive said I don't need to speak to him everyday as its too much, a chat and a catch up every few days is enough, he can speak to the kids directly anytime he wants) but then he'll probably see the kids less if he doesn't feel 'welcome' and I'll get the blame for 'distancing myself'

There Is always some excuse for not stepping up, he has no money, no car, which some of time is true as his life seems so chaotic. He has no stable home at the moment for them to go to, so he has to come here and hang around, has no money to take them anywhere , oh and this is all my fault because I didn't 'try hard enough to let him try and make it work and chose to break the family apart'' (he'd cheated on me, amongst many other things)

So I cant say pick them up at 3pm and have them back at 9pm as he has no where to take them. I don't want to force him to take them somewhere instead of seeing them here at the house as they may have to go out to random places they don't want to, or he just wont come as much to see them and blame me.

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category12 · 04/11/2018 22:03

God yes, you should cut as many ties as possible. You really don't need to be talking to him as much as you are at all. He's totally controlling and you're still being emotionally abused by him.

And again, it doesn't matter if he blames you - it's not true.

Grey rock is basically about being as boring and unresponsive as possible in order to shut down interaction. (don't get caught up in whether the person is a narcissist or not if you're googling it, just think of it as a technique for handling difficult people).

"There’s an old saying that is quite relevant here: you can’t get blood from a stone.

In this case, you are the stone (or rock) and the blood is any behavior that provides the narcissist with the supply they crave.

Keep dialogue to an absolute minimum. If you don’t have to talk to them, don’t. Stay in the car when you drop your kids off at their house. Sit at the other end of the table for family meals. Ask to move desk away from them at work. Avoid interacting with them as much as possible. But don’t make a big thing out of it as this will just give them ammunition.

When you do have to talk to them, stick to tedious subjects like the weather. If they ask questions, give short, uninspiring answers that can’t possibly lead to further conversation.

They ask, “how are you?” and you respond “fine, thanks.”

They ask, “what did you do at the weekend?” and you respond “I did my laundry and mowed the lawn.”

If they respond with “you’ve become boring,” just nod and smile in agreement (they don’t have to know that you disagree wholeheartedly with that statement).

A simple yes and no will suffice where appropriate, but sometimes you won’t want to commit to an answer if it means giving an opinion. In these cases a non-binding “hmmmm,” “maybe,” or “we’ll see” will do.

Never talk about your personal life, even the smallest details. They will hook their claws into any morsel of information you provide and use it to try and further the conversation and extract narcissistic supply from you. They want to know what you value in your life now. They envy what you have (regardless of what it is), and if they can’t have it, they will seek to take it from you somehow. Don’t give them the chance; remain secretive about your new life without them.

Never tell them how well you are doing (as much as it might please you to rub their noses in it). Remember, they are driven by their egos, and any suggestion that you are better off without them or that they are in some way inferior to you will be seen as an affront to their identity. They see themselves as above everyone else in every regard, and if you imply that you are doing better than they are, it will enrage them.

Do not ask them questions. Even if it seems like harmless small talk, as soon as you engage with them and ask them about their life, it gives them the green light to reel off a list of their recent accomplishments (whether true or fabricated) to belittle you. Or they might rant about a mutual acquaintance to see if you’ll react in any way. Don’t give them a platform. Don’t pander to their need for attention.

Try to stick to facts wherever possible. Parents’ evening is at 7pm on Wednesday. The doctor has given them (your son/daughter) antibiotics to take every 8 hours. We have 5 new clients this month. Statements that the narcissist will struggle to challenge because they are not subject to interpretation. The last thing you want to do is get into a debate with them.

Avoid mention of the past at all costs. You don’t want to revisit those dark times even if they do. By bringing up your history, you risk the resurfacing of old wounds and arguments. You’ll also be faced with the blame game which is never a game you can win.

If this should happen, one tactic which can help to diffuse the situation is to publicly accept responsibility for the problems you faced together (even if you don’t accept it on the inside). Any attempt to apportion some of the blame on them will only be met with denial, defensiveness, and attacks on you.

The Gray Rock Method is not always easy, but it is often effective. You might want to scream at them at times, but by biting your tongue and not flinching when they try to get a response, you will starve them of the drama they feed off. Rather than go without it (which is simply not an option for them), a narcissist will look elsewhere for a new source of supply."

Nelumbo · 04/11/2018 23:45

Thanks category12
Id never heard of that term before. I have been trying to engage less for the past few weeks.

He has text (his usual essay long message after an argument) basically saying me yelling and blaming him for everything, always having pop for every negative thing has got to stop, its affecting his wellbeing, he wants to be friendly but not right now, he cant deal with me at the moment. He'll sort a rota etc.

I heard it all before, give it a few days and he'll be back calling me everyday and trying to be nice, then carry on taking me for a mug its like a repeated fucking record for the past 4 years.

I'm going to try and cut contact to a minimum and not get involved in his crap anymore. God its so stressful!

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seventhgonickname · 05/11/2018 00:00

Try to only use text,that will help you not be drawn into an argument.Do not let him use your house to see the kids,I know he hasn't got himself sorted but that is his fault.Just tell him it has to stop,no argument grey Rock all the way.He can take them to the cinema,for a MacDonald's.Or see them at the weekend.

RandomMess · 05/11/2018 09:41

Broken record technique:

You cannot visit them in my home any longer.

I need a schedule for Nov and Dec to be agreed between us before you next collect them.

Can I suggest giving him a dedicated email address? You could send him a spreadsheet of dates for Nov and Dec for him to fill and return. Any dates you can't agree with delete and let him know. Tell the DC that is the contact schedule and it's up to them to keep them free or let Dad know they won't be going (obviously the older ones)

Thanks
DeathyMcDeathStarFace · 05/11/2018 10:51

How about creating a new e-mail address just for him to contact you and tell him you no longer use your old telephone number(s). Then you can block his number on your mobile/landline.

This way you don't have to talk to him on the phone at all and everything he contacts you about will be written in an e-mail so you have it all on record. This will help you take back some of the control.

If he needs to contact you in an emergency he can call his dd and she can let you know he needs to speak to you, then you can contact him in our own way, maybe withhold your number so he doesn't get it/know you haven't changed your number. If he takes dd out you can just check the e-mails every so often to make sure there hasn't been an emergency you need to know about.

You definitely need to get access on certain days sorted, use mediation or a court order if you need. It is often better to get something official written up with some legalities behind it in situations like yours so he has less control over you. You can choose how relaxed you can be about swapping days when people are not free as a one-off, he might need to change one week but you might have an event on you'd like to take daughter to another week on his day, so a bit of give and take can work if you both do it. If you allow him to change days one week and he never allows you to change another week then you just go back to the agreement and stick rigidly to that.

Take back the power and don't let his emotional blackmailing get to you (easier said than done). Do things like not letting him organise things for your dd to do on your time, not tell you and think he can still get away with it. Maybe, until an agreement is in place, you could say you need to agree to her going with him and have at least 48 hours notice. If dd already has other plans then you can say no, maybe offer a different time if she wants to go but doesn't want to change her plans. If he wants to take dd to the cinema and he doesn't check she is free in time it is up to you and your dd to decide if she can go. Sometimes she will want to, sometimes not. This way you have more control over what is happening.

I am sure there will be lots of other people who can give you better tips. But one thing, if he keeps ringing you and you don't want to speak to him you can ignore his calls, put his number on silent if he rings continually, and if you answer his calls to see what he wants and he goes off on one then you can just say 'I don't need to hear these things, call me when you're willing to be civil to me' or something similar and put the phone down. Just because someone rings you doesn't mean you have to talk to them, it is your choice.

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