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Are PDSA doing enough for my cat?

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ChatCatCat · 02/11/2018 20:11

Years ago a cat kept visiting my Mum's garden and appeared to be stray. After a few weeks, my brother feared the cat a stray so we took it to vets and could not trace any owners. I took it in and it was aged approx. 9 years old. I as never had a dog/cat before so was unaware of vets bills later down the line and just tried to do the right thing at the time.

I am on benefits so get reduced rate vets bills but I now have to go almost every two weeks now the cat is 17 and having lots of health issues. The centre is a 20 minute car journey which end up with a cat carrier full of stressed poo, drool and urine. I'm not sure if it's a false economy and maybe I should go to a regular vet who will be more thorough?

Cat is dripping faeces out of his bum or not finishing and having poo stuck in his bum which then is wiped on carpet etc. He absolutely stinks at both ends and cannot groom himself. His tail is at the wrong angle and his tummy has become acutely bloated and getting bigger. He is struggling with a weak back end and the added weight to move around. Vets have done a urine test, tried antibiotics and pain relief plus put him on a 'super senior food' as he is "no longer keeping hold of his protein from his food" but they just seem to be guessing on whether there is a bigger issue ie growth or organ infection - it is obviously costing more money in the long run for me and extending cats discomfort. Being a charity I guess they are limited in how much they can offer to one pet, appointments are always rushed.

Can anyone give an intelligent guess at what I should ask for from a private vet and what a reasonable vet will charge (I have used private in the past when employed and found a very fair priced one). DH is of the 'PTS' opinion but the cat eats, drinks and snoozes quite happily and responds to petting so I wouldn't say he had a poor quality of life - especially if some of these issues can be resolved.

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Feefeetrixabelle · 02/11/2018 20:13

I would say at your cats age I would be inclined to agree with your dh. Animals are good at masking pain so it’s likely it’s quality of life isn’t as good as you think.

TedAndLola · 02/11/2018 20:15

My 15-year-old was a bit off-colour a few months ago. Had a bit of diarrhoea, looked a bit unkempt, seemed a bit down in the dumps. The vet said it could be thyroid or kidney problems or a few other things, so we did a blood test. It turned out it's his kidneys and he's doing really well on renal food.

IIRC the blood tests and consultation cost around £200.

But then I have a friend with a 10-year-old who has similar problems to yours with excreting. She's been back and forth to the private vet for over a year with no resolution yet.

I used the PDSA when I was poor and they were bloody brilliant. Now I'm in a better position I donate to them monthly. They will be doing all they can.

TedAndLola · 02/11/2018 20:16

Just to clarify, my friend has a 10-year-old cat. She hasn't been taking her child to the vet Grin

Veterinari · 02/11/2018 20:16

Has he been checked for kidney disease? If bloated I might also be concerned about GI disease especially with the toileting issues. You will probably need to budget several hundred pounds for private testing. Have you spoke. To the PDSA Vet about testing to try and pinpoint the underlying problem?

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 02/11/2018 20:16

I would also agree with your DH. A dirty, smelly cat who struggles to get around is not a happy cat.

CatchingBabies · 02/11/2018 20:16

I know you don’t want to hear this but I think it’s time to let the cat go. It sounds like he doesn’t have much quality of life and could be suffering as cats hide their pain well. Better a week too early than a day too late.

Oysterbabe · 02/11/2018 20:18

I would PTS, it must be pretty miserable as they are such clean animals usually.

TedAndLola · 02/11/2018 20:18

Please don't let people convince you to euthanise your cat.

DH is of the 'PTS' opinion but the cat eats, drinks and snoozes quite happily and responds to petting so I wouldn't say he had a poor quality of life - especially if some of these issues can be resolved.

This really doesn't sound like a cat who would want to die if he could understand and make the choice.

yunalis · 02/11/2018 20:21

Cats are excellent at hiding their discomfort though, Ted.

CatchIt · 02/11/2018 20:23

I'm sorry op, but I think your. At needs to be pts.

There's nothing more humiliating for a cat than not being able to clean itself. The fact your cat is incontinent and has a swollen abdomen does not bode well.

Trust me, the pts option is only painful for the human.

ChatCatCat · 02/11/2018 20:25

I am all for PTS when there seems no other way to help the animal however I am not convinced that is the case yet. If we had a diagnosis and were told it was sever and given the information about the impact that will be having then I could PTS knowing it was the last option. I am convinced that without a diagnosis I cannot make that choice as I will never know if a course of something else would have solved a lot of issues after a few weeks and improved his mobility. I can help the cat with its grooming but as said he still seems to enjoy interactions and heads to favourite spots in the house etc. still

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ADastardlyThing · 02/11/2018 20:31

Cats are good at masking pain but still eating, drinking, being generally happy and liking strokes etc would be unusual if it's 'time'.

Have they done blood tests at least? That would be my bare minimum to get done before I considered PTS just to be sure. 17 is old but not massively so I don't think (all my cats who died of natural causes lived to at least 20)

HoleyCoMoley · 02/11/2018 20:36

Has he had a stomach x-ray, have they thought about constipation.

AnnaMagnani · 02/11/2018 21:10

Either you pay for blood tests, X-rays etc for a full diagnosis - which may lead to expensive treatment that you cannot afford - or you PTS.

No cat wants to be in a situation where it cannot groom itself or clean its bum. It may be peacefully purring in between but it is not over all a happy cat.

17 is an old cat.

AwkwardPaws27 · 02/11/2018 21:18

Book yourself a second opinion with a vet, and ask them to request medical history and test results from the PDSA (make this very clear when you book!).
I used to work at a London veterinary hospital and we booked a double length appointment for second opinions, would go through all the history, do a full examination and discuss options and any quotations for investigations/treatment in that time. Veterinary consultation fees will vary depending on where you are in the country (they are based usually on overhead costs and staffing costs so central London would be more expensive).
Honestly, an elderly cat that may have an abdominal growth may be reaching the end of its life - but this could give you peace of mind, and there may be a solution that your current vet hasn't tried. PDSA may have limited funding, or not have the equipment necessary to do certain investigations - have you asked them if it would be beneficial to do an ultrasound or x-ray to see if there is a mass?

ileclerc · 02/11/2018 21:21

17 is an old cat. I know what I would do.

However if you think differently can you afford to go through multiple tests and potential treatments if you are at PDSA already?

The cat won't have a quality of life at all.

Hohofortherobbers · 02/11/2018 23:23

My dm cat was like this age 20, loose stools and messing everywhere, unable to groom himself, his body was just old and packing up, also turns out he'd become blind without us realising, he knew his way around so it wasn't apparent he'd lost his sight. That was the final straw. We adored him and couldn't bear to think how confused and unhappy he must be. Make the right decision at the right time for your lovely cat, you'll know when that time is.

thereallochnessmonster · 02/11/2018 23:33

Blood tests and x-ray would be the next steps. Does your cat have a tumour?

Doesn’t sound like his quality of life is great. Poor boy.

DaysOfCurlySpencer · 02/11/2018 23:50

Loose stools and incontinence can be the result of constipation as mentioned above, and can also be due to furballs not passing through and causing a blockage. This can also result in swelling as the fur becomes impacted with the faeces. An Xray would help determine what is going on, a blockage, a tumour.

If you PTS without being sure it is the right time you will struggle for a long time, you need to find out if anything can be done before making any decisions. There is a calculator which might help when you need to decide. Link below.

Vets tend to work to a list, unless you get one that thinks outside the box and will do something a bit differently. If you are lucky you will see one that is receptive to your suggestions. Sometimes they have their own thoughts on what should be done, regardless of where they work, but if you feel you are not getting what you need then perhaps consider a private vet with a payment plan.

journeyspet.com/pet-quality-of-life-scale-calculator/

CatchIt · 03/11/2018 00:14

Purring is also a sign of pain, not just contentment by the way.

My dm's cat got a tumour in her head and purred all the time, when my Dm realised this after the vet told her, she decided to pts as the cat wasn't the same. She was much friendlier than usual but couldn't do a lot of things she normally did. Grooming was one of them.

At the end of the day, it's your cat but I know what I'd do, especially at 17.

ChatCatCat · 03/11/2018 12:45

I cleaned up lots of poo last night dotted on carpet. Visited emergency vet this morning as his a dimension is getting larger and larger and ended up PTS.

He stinks and could no longer groom himself. He couldn't even curl into a ball anymore and would just lay with the top of his head tucked under. I made the decision with the vets advice that they would PTS if it was their pet. They said that investigations wouldn't necessarily create improvement and they believed he would just get worse.

My decision was based on

Struggled to poo, had poo stuck in bum
Struggled to walk under weight of swollen belly
Vet said the excess fluid would be to do with an organ failing and most likely a tumour
Previous vet said he had no protein being stored in his system anymore
Struggled to jump up to favourite spot
Couldn't curl up anymore
Couldn't groom himself anymore
Today I noticed him snuggling into the walls and dark areas

Would you have done the same as me today and PTS?

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ChatCatCat · 03/11/2018 12:46

Another reason I PTS is vets is 20 mins away and he finds his carrier stressful so investigations would have made him miserable

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category12 · 03/11/2018 12:49

Yes, sounds like the right decision.

Olivo · 03/11/2018 12:50

Sorry to her that Chat, but I think you made the right decision. Take care.

MatildaTheCat · 03/11/2018 12:55

Yes absolutely. My cat is 18 and remarkably healthy other than being a bit senile. I haven’t taken her to a vet for probably 12 years. When she did have to go in the car occasionally when younger she hated it and was very distressed.

I’ve already decided that when she becomes unwell I will have the vet come out and PHTS. No investigation or treatment, just a dignified end to a happy life.

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