To believe that fireworks shouldn’t be available to the general public?

[FatNoMorePat]

Fireworks at this time of night!!!

I’m partial to a sparkler don’t get me wrong, but I just don’t agree with fireworks being readily available for joe public. Particularly when people let them off after 11pm!

I’m not saying get rid of them all together but make it stricter so they’re only let off in safe environments by people who’ve had adequate training who then clean everything up and it’s all done and dusted before 11pm.

Am I getting old??

Half deaf not dead! Jesus I nearly killed my nan on a MN thread!!

No, my point is and was that there will always be things that people are afraid of, that people find upsetting.

There are dog owners on here (just one example), who are distressed by the fireworks

I could hazard a guess that at least one of those dog owners has unwittingly allowed their dog to frighten a child. If not that then done something to upset somebody.

People don't always think outside the box.

I doubt that many people, barring a few irresponsible yobs, has set out to terrify anyone else with fireworks.

You have all probably done something at some time in your life that has unknowingly caused distress to someone else, but you're so focused on what bothers YOU, you possibly haven't even noticed.

Much like the people setting off fireworks.

‘whataboutery
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nounBRITISH
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
"all too often, well-intentioned debate descends into whataboutery"

Shit argument.

Yeah. Right.....

Perhaps you could all keep your precious dogs on a lead? That goes on all year round

I think it's perfectly clear what you meant.

Iliveinazoo

Do fuck off

I'm not selfish because I haven't set off any fireworks. I've only ever gone to organised displays and that's only been the last couple of years because I had a child who was afraid of them.

I don't hate dogs, I don't hate fireworks.

I've got one child who is petrified of loud noises and another who is petrified of dogs.

I'm simply pointing out that what one person gets enjoyment out of, another might be afraid of.

Yes, there are hundreds, thousands of things that people are terrified of. So they come on a thread to share their experiences and it's clear from this thread, how many people are negatively affected by Bonfire Night.

You have continuously ignored their concerns, mocked their experiences and suggested we were making stuff up. That's very different to 'unwittingly' upsetting a dog/ child/elderly person or PTSD sufferer. ALL of who have been mentioned here.

When people gave you their own anecdotes about Bonfire night, you then launched in to a rant about how we all need to keep our dogs on a lead.

No idea what your agenda is about but here's another word to look up

Sociopath.

Hilarious really, I haven't insulted anyone or been rude to anyone yet I've been called all sorts of names and swore at just for having a different opinion.

You won't stop fireworks anymore than I will stop dogs running around the park.

Oh do calm down you're becoming hysterical.

What's hilarious is you thinking you've not insulted or been rude to anyone.

You haven't stopped.

But it's not my job to try and explain to someone who lacks empathy why their attitude is rude and insulting.

I'll leave that to people in your life who are still around.

No one has suggested stopping fireworks, you've just made that up to justify your appalling attitude.

Hysterical? I imagine you think that's a compliment in your small little world?

Judging by the amount of people you claim are setting off fireworks all around you for 3 weeks non stop, there must be a hell of a lot of dreadful, selfish people you're surrounded by.

Maybe, but I imagine if I did knock on their door and explain how terrified my dog is they would probably be concerned as most people I meet are decent human beings. then there are people like you.

Iliveinazoo
Much as this will be an unpopular view I think it depends on area.

I've had one pillock creating a WW3 soundscape in a ridiculously small garden tonight and then could see a couple in the distance. Otherwise we don't get many. There'll probably be a couple set off on bonfire night itself but never usually excessive (much as I don't think most residential gardens are a safe place to do them).

A town where I used to live it was almost every weekend from mid October until new year. That was more random bursts of 2 or 3 and then some setting off whatever they could find. On one estate it was usually teens doing them from the play park. The general rule was if shops were selling them then some git would be lighting them.

Sorry for anyone who is having rouble tonight. Near us, there is one planned fireworks display (15 mins) and two of my neighbours actually tell the rest of us they are having s small firework display in their garden - 10 minutes (we are invited if we want) other than tonight and I suppose Monday - I have not heard anyone else setting off fireworks. I also have two dogs (they don’t really care about fireworks really)

I hope for those affected - everything is calm now.

Agree

Completely agree, they should be taken off public sale.
Nasty, dangerous, antisocial things.

In the wrong hands everything is nasty and dangerous. Fireworks are the polar opposite of anti-social though.. Really extreme, consider the huge crowds of people that buzz to see them each year, i'd say highly sociable.

Absolutely totally agree! I've just posted something similar on fb. Especially for people with young children. It was so bloody loud earlier practically in my back garden because of the set up of our houses. It's bloody anti social if you ask me!

If it was really actually anti-social, that would be illegal. It's not actually really anti-social atall. Its a cultural norms, and some sick out of control probably underage nastys get hold of them (and everything else they can to cause maximum harm and chaos).
I do agree with keeping it to specific nights, and this is true of public displays.

If you have issues with your neighbours speak to them.
But its not anti-social

Sorry, to you maybe, yes I agree, it feels anti-social, but these people are all out socialising around the bonfires and fireworks.
Tighter controls are needed though. Enough police to police them would be good!

Like everything else, a bit of common sense and speaking goes a long way. Tomorrow night, my parents are coming to do some fireworks in the garden. None of the giant bangers and that though. Have let my neighbours know about it, they are all fine about it and 2 lots of them are actually coming round and bringing the grandkids. Will be at a decent time too, about 6 ish.

Theres some idiot setting them off now, and has been for the past couple of hours, might be one of the professional displays tbh from the sound and size of them. I also hate how they go on forever, the ones near here started a week ago, and if its anything like last year they will go on til new year!

What I don't get is if dogs are so terrified of loud noises why do they spend all their fucking time making them and pissing off every neighbour for three streets around in the process? And not just on Bonfire Night but every fucking night?

@ClenchQueen I'm not a dog so I can't say for sure but I imagine it's because it's different when you're the one making the noise, and also that the noise they make is them communicating vs. what could be all hell breaking loose to them.

That's also a separate issue anyway.