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Estranged sister has had a baby

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AmyJohnson19 · 30/10/2018 18:47

Hi everyone - this is my first mumsnet post so please bear with me if I don't have all the right lingo etc down yet! I'm after some advice on how I should react to the fact my estranged sister has had a baby.

I'll try to be as brief and objective as I possibly can be: the backstory is my sister and I haven't spoken since I got married two years ago. Things had been slightly strained - but completely civil - between us since she secretly married her much older, alcoholic, controlling husband after a few months of dating. My family is the type to not speak about feelings and my parents just want to keep the peace (we're a big dysfunctional family!) so I was the only one to raise concerns to my sister's (and husband's face) one Christmas - specifically about the fact he has three kids by two other women who he doesn't look after. I didn't get into the boozing or controlling behaviour but that was enough to really piss him off and he stormed out. My sister just muttering - 'you shouldn't make him angry'.

Anyway skip forward 18 months/two years and we've had other Christmas's and birthdays together and it's all been civil and - I thought - put behind us with her understanding I was just being a protective older sister. I ask her to be my bridesmaid for my wedding and she accepts: I invite her husband but only on the 'B list' (a couple of months after the first invites when we had initial numbers through) which I know is controversial but this was a tiny, intimate foreign wedding of around 30 of our closest friends and family - no plus ones at all, including for my other sister who had a boyfriend. Bearing in mind my husband had never met my youngest sister's husband and I had only met him twice in 5 years - he avoided us every time we visiting my parents house (this was before our Christmas argument) because he didn't want my sister to be around men who weren't family (!). So he was a stranger to us - plus my sister had never invited me or any of our family to their wedding at all. She said she understood but that he didn't want to come anyway and all was civil and fine. But I do accept for family politics I probably should have invited him immediately, if only to make my mum's life easier.

Then about four months later, I sent a slightly sharp text about her decision not to come to my hen do (no reason given) but ended it with love and offering to pay for her wedding flight to make things easier. That triggered an avalanche of anger from her, bringing up stuff from two years ago and how she can't believe I never invited her husband etc etc. We were both annoyed at each other and argued our points without it getting too nasty or personal. I thought it was just a sister's fight and I'd hear from her soon. And I did. But not with what I expected to hear.

Around a week later, an email popped up from her that is genuinely the nastiest message I've received from anyone in my entire life. It was coldly furious and went much deeper than my upcoming wedding: she ranted about how she had "never" considered me her sister; how her husband was more family to our family than I was; accused me of leaving behind our family when I moved to London for university and how I make 'thousands every month' while our mum struggles to pay the bills (this isn't true, on both points), and how I was basically selfish and thought I was better than everyone else and expected to get my own way all the time etc etc. I was really shocked by all of this anger I had absolutely no idea she was harbouring that dated back to me moving away to get an education and a career while she stayed at home and became a waitress. She ended her email said she was blocking me from her life and never wanted to speak to me again. I was pretty heartbroken to be honest, to hear such vile and viciousness from my own sister when I've never been anything but immensely proud of anything either of my sisters have achieved.

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EmUntitled · 30/10/2018 18:52

I'm not sure what your question is exactly but it sounds like you are better off without her in your life if she is able to be so horrible to you, and her husband sounds like a piece of work too. I don't think her having a baby changes that.
Is she still in contact with your parents and other sister?

JontyDoggle37 · 30/10/2018 18:53

Are you sure your sister sent that email and not him? He could be controlling her access to family and she may need help. Worth reaching out again.

NationalShiteDay · 30/10/2018 18:54

That's really shit. I've been in a coercively controlling relationship and tbh you're just gonna have to ride this one out. He's probably been dropping poison into her ear about you and your family from day 1. He's done it to alienate her so he can control her.

if I were you I would try not to take it personally (I know) and ensure that lines of communication are kept open. Do you have her address? I'd send a little something for the baby, a card congratulating them both, and then send something every Xmas and birthday.

You may never hear anything back. They may just bin them. BUT you're keeping the line open, letting her know you're there, that you care.

One day, hopefully, she'll realise what's happened and will need your support to escape.

Forget about the email, that will have been all him, even if she wrote it.

AmyJohnson19 · 30/10/2018 18:56

Sorry I hit post too soon - told you I'm new to this!

Anyway, to briefly summarise - we haven't spoken since that email, she didn't send me any messages after I got married or even when I had to have serious surgery (twice). I completely accept that I could have handled things better with her husband, but to me the things she said in that email were such an over the top reaction and inexcusable, even if I could have gotten over her dropping out of my wedding and being a bridesmaid. I've said for the sake of my family (this has made things so difficult for them, especially at Christmas's) I would forgive her if she apologised and explained but she is extremely stubborn and refuses to do that.

However, she gave birth to a baby girl a couple of weeks ago and I'm now torn whether I should send them a card or not? On one hand it feels hypocritical and I'm reluctant to make a token gesture when nothing has changed between us - but on the other hand, I want to be at peace with my conscience by being the bigger person and sending a card to mark such a big life event - even if she hasn't done the same to me. I'd really appreciate advice on this as I'm struggling to know what the best thing to do is. Thank you!

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NationalShiteDay · 30/10/2018 19:01

It sounds like you're both expecting the other to apologise. One of you needs to make the first move. Now would be a good time for you to do it.

3luckystars · 30/10/2018 19:04

You have to send your good wishes to your new niece.

It's hard seeing someone you love in an abusive relationship, but you have handled awkwardly so you forced her towards him even more.

The only way you can make it up now, (and I think the wedding b list thing is almost unforgivable ) is just start with baby steps and dont talk ever about the past. You can never criticise her husband again. She knows what you think of him.

You could say 'I'm sorry for my part in all this, can we put the past behind us and start again'
Then you are not taking the blame but are apologising all the same.

Good.luck.

HoustonBess · 30/10/2018 19:04

Yeah at least send a card to let her know you're thinking of her. Put something like 'I just want you to know I'm pleased to hear about your daughter, if you ever want to talk again I'm here for you.' It can't hurt. I'd keep it brief.

PathOfLeastResitance · 30/10/2018 19:04

I would send a card.
You seem like you want to mark this occasion and as a way to break the stalemate, it could be a good way. If it’s met with silence or more hostility then you will know you tried. As it stands, it can’t get much worse so you may as well give it a go! Also it lets your sister know that you are still there for her and you k kw that you’ve offered an olive branch at a time when she could be even more vulnerable to a man that sounds like an arsehole.

hazell42 · 30/10/2018 19:05

I think that you love your sister and want to be protective of her. I also think that you have behaved in a way that Is at best ham fisted and at worst downright offensive.
You have made it clear more than once tbat you disapprove of her husband.
He sounds very controlling and you have handed him all the ammunition he needs to get her to cut you out of her life.
Which she has now done.
My guess is that she could use a non-judgemental sister to support her if she ever gets the strength to leave him.
Whether you think you have behaved badly or not, I think that you should send her a grovelling apology, let her know that you respect her right to choose her own life and life partner, and that you will always be ready to support her should she ever need it.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/10/2018 19:05

not a lot of objectivity in your post.

Sounds like you both enjoy scoring points off each other.

Even if you do reconcile the issues are still going to be there and the sniping and point scoring will continue.

AmyJohnson19 · 30/10/2018 19:06

Hi EmUntitled - thanks for the advice, really appreciate it. Sorry I hit post too early, have posted the rest of my message below, but yes she's in touch with all the rest of my family because the rest of them only talk about concerns amongst themselves and haven't confronted my sister about it. My mum (who knows a lot about abusive relationships) has said she doesn't want to speak out because it will push my sister further away and that is what her husband will want - her not to have her family there for her. Which I do understand.

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Caprisunorange · 30/10/2018 19:07

Ok honestly? Your card is a total non issue. You either want to make up with her or you don’t.

TedAndLola · 30/10/2018 19:09

I had absolutely no idea she was harbouring that dated back to me moving away to get an education and a career while she stayed at home and became a waitress.

Hmm I imagine you all wide-eyed saying that sentence.

I would leave things be.

AmyJohnson19 · 30/10/2018 19:10

Hi NationalShiteDay - I think you're totally right, and your advice means a lot as you've been there, thank you. Also noted your advice on reaching out and sending a card.

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SilverHairedCat · 30/10/2018 19:15

Send a genuine card, but for the love of god don't refer to the fall out in it, it's not the child's fault it happened - if she keeps the cards then your sister doesn't need to be reminded of this for evermore if she reads them again.

Maybe put a separate note in she can keep or throw away if she wants.

Unicornandbows · 30/10/2018 19:17

@tedandlola

The op made a life choice so did the sister. You can't hold op responsable for that

Unicornandbows · 30/10/2018 19:17

Send a card and see what happens from there x

Nottheduchessoftransiyvaniaaaa · 30/10/2018 19:19

I can’t imagine not inviting my BIL to my wedding, or even putting him on the “B” list. I think I’d be pretty pissed off of my OH was left out of a close relatives plan.

AmyJohnson19 · 30/10/2018 19:22

Hi BoneyBackJefferson - of course, my post is never going to be completely objective as it's from my side only, which is why I wrote I'd try to be as objective as possible. My sister will have a different version I'm sure.

But I can say I genuinely do not enjoy "point scoring" and neither my younger sister have a history of doing that. We were actually the most similar and got along just fine - if becoming more distant due to living in different cities - until her husband entered the picture. Which is why this explosion has rocked me and the rest of our family so much.

I appreciate I could have handled things better with hindsight, but I only ever acted out of trying to be protective of my younger sister.

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Belindabauer · 30/10/2018 19:22

I would advise you to keep the lines of communication open.
Send a card and gift congratulating both of them.
You need to let her know that you are there for her if/when it all goes tits up with her controlling husband.
I also don't think she acted alone in sending the email.
Unfortunately, you have played into his hands and I'm sure he will be doing the "I told you your sister is awful," routine.

chocolateworshipper · 30/10/2018 19:26

I think you have to send a card - none of this is the child's fault. You could send a "welcome to the world" kind of card - i.e. one to the baby herself, and perhaps a comment in there like "I will always be here for you if you need anything"

Vivaldi1678 · 30/10/2018 19:26

Love is greater than Pride. Send it, she may need you in the future, and at least you will have tried.

AmyJohnson19 · 30/10/2018 19:26

Hi Nottheduchessoftransiyvaniaaaa - sure I understand lots of people will feel that way, especially if they're having a more traditional wedding. But ours wasn't traditional at all - and we didn't have plus ones for anyone else either so it wasn't discriminatory; people elope, or only have friends as witnesses etc. Plus my sister and her husband didn't invite me - or any other family members - to their own wedding a couple of years earlier.

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SwizzelsFizzers · 30/10/2018 19:27

Send a card

Open a bank account for the child and put was you would have given in gifts into it.

ThereGoesTheAlarm · 30/10/2018 19:27

I don’t think either of you have covered yourselves in glory. Your mum etc are doing the right things. Saying nothing. Keeping the door open.

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