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AIBU not to tell the father of my children that we're leaving the country?

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powercutie · 18/10/2018 09:17

Warning - long one! The gist of the problem is stated at the end.

My ex fiancé, father of DS (4) and DD (6), hasn't seen the children in over a year.
When I met him I thought he was the nicest guy. We were young, and I got pregnant very quickly. I was too young to notice a lot of the red flags and we decided to go ahead with it, and we were really happy for a time. After DD was born things got tough, I was alone in the emotional labour and most of the childcare and I was too busy to recognise that a lot of what was going on wasn't right.
Nothing ever got done. My ex handled finances and practicalities, and yet seemed to accomplish nothing, always saying that people were screwing him over and cheating him, and that's why we for example couldn't get internet or he hadn't been paid that month or whatever you can imagine.
My things started to go missing - and by things I mean ID, passports, bank cards - id order a new bank card and it would never come, I'd finally find my passport so I could access my bank account in the bank but it'd disappear on me again. This went on for about a year, and I truly believed I was cursed. I remember crying my eyes out on the sofa one day, saying "I think someone's out to get me, I think something dark is messing with my head". He looked at me with big sad eyes and said he thought I must be right.

Needless to say, a few weeks after DS was born, I finally realised my ex was the one stealing my things. I demanded them back and was able to access my accounts, and that's when I realised he'd stolen my bank card and he'd been using my money, overdrawing, not paying bills. Turns out he never had an income himself. Few days later I got a knock at the door to inform me I was about to get evicted because the rent on my newly bought apartment had never been paid (I'd literally no idea). With the help of my mother we were able to pay and stay, but I have a massive debt to my name now that he refuses to help pay off.

He said he was mentally unwell and I went with him to have him sectioned. I had the idea that if he wasn't well, then what kind of partner would I be to turn my back on him? We went a few times. Newborn strapped to my chest. But he kept lying and in the end he told me he never really loved me and left.

After all of this he pretty much disappeared for a year. He came now and then to play with DD for an hour but that was it. Then when the kids were slightly older, for about a year and a half he had them regularly because he was doing better. But it all went wrong in the end - one day I was tucking DD in after a weekend with him, and she told me he'd "gotten really angry and put his hands around her throat". She was 5. I shook all night.

He hasn't seen them since. DD has been through a terrible time, after the traumatic experience and then the "loss" of her father and his entire family, as they all chose to believe I was keeping the kids away from him - in reality I just said that we needed help and I would never remove their father from their life, but we would absolutely need help and support from outside, or else I'd never feel secure letting the kids spend time with him. Not that they wanted to after that.

But he's never turned up to any meetings, and there have been MANY. Meetings about our family (his chance to stay in touch and ask for help). Meetings about DDs mental health (she has struggled terribly). He didn't even show up to the court dates when I applied for full custody (I got it).

Once, about six months in, he sent me a text with the words "can I take the kids to the playground tomorrow". I replied that since he hasn't seen them for six months and hasn't responded to any professionals and has no clue what's going on, that he'd need to apply for visitation through the system, but that I'd be willing to work with that. He never contacted us again.

I wanted to get that full story out here once and for all as I've actually loads of things I want advice on! But this time I'm going to focus on one specific thing.

We're moving to a different country next year, me and my children. We're going to live with my new partner in a quiet town and have a nice fresh start. We'll visit home often as my livelihood is based here and our family is here.

AIBU to not tell their father we're leaving??

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BlueBug45 · 18/10/2018 10:11

OP in Nordic countries like in the UK fathers have legal responsibilities and rights regardless of whether the mother ends up being 100% the residential parent. Get legal advice.

Also did you report any of his stealing and abuse particularly of the children to the authorities? It would have helped your case. If you do it now it looks odd.

JingsMahBucket · 18/10/2018 10:11

@jcsp she said the UK, not England. It could be anywhere. 🙄

OP, definitely check with a local solicitor. Places like Denmark really DO NOT want "native children" leaving the country and will prevent you from leaving even though one of the parents isn't Danish.

DunesOfSand · 18/10/2018 10:13

I can understand why you think it would be a good idea, but please, please check what your custody agreement, and local laws in Scandi and UK, allow.
Moving kids, without proper permission, across country borders can cause all sorts of headaches.
For the sake of peace of mind that you and your kids are truly free from this man, please do it properly.

DadJoke · 18/10/2018 10:17

YANBU, subject to it being legal.

VQ1970 · 18/10/2018 10:20

I suspect you're asking from a moral point of view rather than legal and my opinion, fwiw, is that morally I would just do it. But as others have said, definitely check the legalities of it and if it's legal, go ahead.

Lonecatwithkitten · 18/10/2018 10:20

You really, really need local advice. I have a friend who eventually relocated from a scandi country to the UK with her children. She required a very specific legal document from her ExH to allow this and it took a long time to achieve.

powercutie · 18/10/2018 10:24

Thanks for all of the advice. I assure you all it's noted and I will definitely be doing things by the book.

That being said, it was from a moral standpoint I was asking - I realise MN isn't the place for solid legal advice ;)

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Tomorrowillbeachicken · 18/10/2018 10:25

You need to know the Scandinavian law for this one.

minniebow · 18/10/2018 10:25

Sorry if someone else has mentioned this already, can’t you take a child away for so many days anyway without being obliged to tell their father? Is it 2 weeks or something, can’t remember what it is. I’d find anyone reporting their ex partner for abduction when they’re on holiday with return tickets really fucking pathetic tbh. If it was one way tickets, fair enough, I think it would be justified. I think a lot of men (and women) get jealous of the kids going on holiday, especially when with a new partner. Grow up for the love of god and let your child enjoy their childhoodAngry I hope you and your children get to enjoy your holiday OP and that your ex stops being such an arse

powercutie · 18/10/2018 10:28

I've just looked it up again and if I have full custody, which I do, I don't need his permission to move, even out of the country, but I do need to tell him at least six weeks in advance regardless of custody.

So that settles the question then doesn't it! I won't have a choice but to make contact Shock

So I suppose the question is.. do I do it now and give myself time to deal with any "obstructions" he might create, or do I wait until the six week mark and hope he can't be arsed to do anything

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powercutie · 18/10/2018 10:32

Oh and everything is well documented. I didn't report him for the money or identity problems (I would if I could do it over). But reports were made to social services who investigated and considered police reporting it but they couldn't get "enough" information out of DD at the meetings. But it's well documented what she's told everyone and what I've experienced, along with her subsequent MH problems and the fact that no one hs been able to contact their father.

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BlueBug45 · 18/10/2018 10:33

@minniebow the OP isn't in the UK so it is completely irrelevant to her situation.

It is 28 days in England and Wales if you have a child arrangement order.

PurpleCrazyHorse · 18/10/2018 10:35

That's a tricky one OP. I guess it depends on what support you have after your moving date. If the ex stops the kids going while it's sorted out, do you have somewhere to stay, do you need to be in the UK immediately, does your partner?

Definitely wise to get it all sorted legally either way. Then you can live in peace and travel back and forth confidently. Also you'll be able to tell your children should they ask, that you gave your ex notice of you leaving and he didn't contact the courts or he did, but lost.

Lindy2 · 18/10/2018 10:36

If having full custody means you don't need his permission to leave then I would only tell him once you have left.
Based upon the fact he physically assulted your daughter does giving him 6 weeks notice potentially put any of you at risk? If you feel it does then just go. Your and your children's safety is more important.

BlueBug45 · 18/10/2018 10:39

OP he may tell a family member who gives him the money and help for him to object.

Oh and the reason to have reported him about the crimes to you is while it should have no bearing on his responsibilities and rights with your (plural) children, in honesty no one looks at those who have committed crimes in the same way particularly against partners.

In the case if your child, remember children never want to get one of their parents in trouble.

timeisnotaline · 18/10/2018 10:41

Morally I absolutely would. You’ve done more than enough in your support of him and he’s physically threatened his small child.

Abra1de · 18/10/2018 10:45

MacosieAsunter

I have to take a written letter of permission from my exh

Who checks the signature - whats to stop you writing a letter and signing it in his name?

Forgery is probably not good advice.

roundthehorn · 18/10/2018 10:47

For the first 10 years of my children's lives I had a different last name from them and travelled extensively throughout Asia, Europe, and the Americas without my husband/their father. I was never asked for any documentation. I would travel first and inform after.
You have done your absolute best for this man and he has proved himself to be unfit. Your children's and your own future trump all.

powercutie · 18/10/2018 10:51

I would be slightly concerned of an unpleasant reaction from him definitely. I'd also be concerned as to whether I'd be able to get hold of him at all! The court couldn't, or social services. The court eventually had to police search him through friends and family to find him. I've been told he's lost his apartment and belongings and passport and income and all the rest.. a bit of a rock bottom situation.

But thinking about how awful it would be if we had to cancel our plans, perhaps it would be better to (attempt
to at least) tell him now and give him time to react and time for me to handle that reaction. Perhaps if I text it to him I'll at least have evidence that I tried to inform him.

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powercutie · 18/10/2018 10:51

Thank you for the advice and support.

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Amateurish · 18/10/2018 10:57

Get legal advice now, don't just look it up yourself. What are you going to do if you tell him six weeks before you leave then he objects and tries to prevent you?

Knittedfairies · 18/10/2018 10:57

From a moral standpoint I think you’re in the clear; he hasn’t got a leg to stand on if he tries to prevent the move. I hope all goes well for you.

Dollymixture22 · 18/10/2018 11:07

Morally - run. Don’t let him anywhere near your children. The financial stuff was bad, but hurting your daughter was unacceptable

diddl · 18/10/2018 11:09

Well I'd be tempted to not be able to find him tbh.

What form must this "telling" take & does there have to be an acknowledgement from him?

A letter to an old address??

ToesInWater · 18/10/2018 11:31

I would send a letter to his last known address, I would think that would satisfy the requirement to tell him. I am in Australia and sole custody it is really difficult to get so if the Courts grant sole custody it really does give the parent who gets it free reign to make whatever decisions they think are in the best interests of their children without having to consult the other parent. Good luck with your new life 😊

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