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Rental Properties

242 replies

Greenkit · 16/10/2018 14:39

AIBU to say, if you rent out your property, you shouldn't be able to stipulate 'No Pets, No DSS, No Sharers, No Smokers, and sometimes No Children (Although that may have changed)

If you are worried about damage then have extra deposit costs to cover.

After a marriage break down, I am having to rent and I am unable to take my 3 whippets with me as the landlord, doesn't allow pets. If fact its seems no one allows pets.

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fuzzyduck1 · 16/10/2018 21:22

Hear hear Dragon girl.

I remember the days where 80% of my wages were taken up paying the mortgage my partener wage paid the bills and food. No holiday No nights out. £30 second hand tv. Pot noddle for dinner. But the sacrifice was worth it.

What gets me is all the people who you see on here moaning they want to buy a house but aren’t even making any effort to get a deposit together. And in some cases don’t even have a job to pay a mortgage if they got one.

thisneverendingsummer · 16/10/2018 21:22

I don't think all landlords are rip off merchants and conmen, but some of them are, and they feed off the vulnerability of people who are desperate. I also think that they should be allowed certain stipulations (no smokers, no parties, no noise,) but saying no pets and no kids is too much!

@DragonGirl10

mrcharlie, its simply not true that most people who are LL have got there due to luck or a win.

I didn't.... (see my first post)... like many, l had no family money or other financial gift, come from a working class family, no win.....just many years of working 7 days a week, and spending the absolute minimum on living frugally to save for my first deposit, had a lodger to help pay that mortgage, and lived off baked beans!

If l could do it anyone could......

Could you BE more smug?! Hmm

Your comments are very patronising and condescending. 'If anyone can do it I can.' Hmm So you're saying if everyone 'works hard' and works seven days a week, they can ALSO buy a spare house to rent out? Do me a favour!

Most people I know can't afford ONE house these days, let alone a spare one to bring them an extra £700 to £900 a month in! Hmm

Huggefire15 · 16/10/2018 21:23

I didn't have luck, inheritance etc I invested my savings from working and over time. I realize that not many people have big savings, but I've seen collegues buy flashy cars, holidays instead. If you had savings what would you do ?

thisneverendingsummer · 16/10/2018 21:24

@fuzzyduck1

I remember the days where 80% of my wages were taken up paying the mortgage my partner wage paid the bills and food. No holiday No nights out. £30 second hand tv. Pot noddle for dinner. But the sacrifice was worth it.

What gets me is all the people who you see on here moaning they want to buy a house but aren’t even making any effort to get a deposit together. And in some cases don’t even have a job to pay a mortgage if they got one.

Oh PLEASE! Wink

And I thought dragongirl10 was bloody patronising and condescending.

You just surpassed her level of smug. Well done! Hmm

mrcharlie · 16/10/2018 21:27

To all of those trying to justify their assets, please don't bother.

Come next march, the waters will still be calm before the tsunami hits. My heart goes out to tenants who will get swept along, as for the landlords with newly vacated properties, I'll offer only Two Fingers, such is my hatred towards the Buy-To-Screw culture that has swept this country in the past decade.

sickmumma · 16/10/2018 21:36

We rent and have a dog! It has meant we can't go for some properties but actually surprisingly lots more have been accepting of a dog more recently (we moved at the start of the year). Our last house were adamant no pets, I met with the property manager put my case across, offered her to meet our dog and also offered to round the deposit up to the next £1000 (it was about an extra 7/800)

The landlord visited about a year after we moved in, adored the dog and commented on how clean and well kept the house was. I think a lot is to do with the agents. I always emailed offering a professional clean including carpets and also a higher deposit if needed and to meet the dog - none of them met the dog and our current house actually didn't take an extra payment in advance for cleaning or as a deposit but we did meet the landlord in person a few times before we moved in (went direct instead of through an agent this time)

Dragongirl10 · 16/10/2018 21:36

mrcharlie...l don't need to justify my assets, l was letting you know you were completely wrong in your assumption that everyone was either given/inherited/won money.....

thisneverendingsummer.....not smug, but fed up with untrue vitriol here against ll.

it is interesting that when challenged factually, you seem to have to resort to personal attack.....

PurpleFlower1983 · 16/10/2018 21:40

It’s my property and I can rent it to who I like. Simple as that. You may find that landlords are more flexible if you ask and pay a higher deposit.

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Greenkit · 16/10/2018 21:40

loveka thank you

I own a 4 bed house, round the corner from the house my DD is renting
I am 47 and work full time, as does my DD
I don't smoke, nor does my daughter

Obviously I wont move the dogs in without the permission of the LL, however they will be visiting as I will need to have them while husband works.

The house is unfurnished, so if anything happened to the soft furnishings it would be my stuff ruined.

DD wont have the cat there as she has rats (agreed by LL) so Hubert wont be visiting Sad

Anyway, I don't agree with the LLor Tenant bashing, as I think there is good and bad in all

I rent a room to a lovely man, who is quiet and respectful and no problem. The previous tenant was a PITA but swings and round abouts.

If my dogs caused £4000 damage, yes I would pay it...But its very very unlikely

When we sell our house, I will have quite a sum, but not quite enough to buy somewhere near.

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acivilcontract · 16/10/2018 21:42

Nobody needs to justify their assets, they just need to stick to the rules and pay the required taxes. Not sure what you think is going to change regarding people needing rented housing post Brexit but I think you may be in for a disappointment.

Huggefire15 · 16/10/2018 21:43

We all make choices in life. I am not going to apologize for providing someone with a home.

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Greenkit · 16/10/2018 21:45

sickmumma interesting

Once we sell the house next year I will have money so could draw up an agreement to cover all costs from dog damage and pay for a deep clean of the property. I just want somewhere to live, and have my dogs with me

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Justletmego · 16/10/2018 21:47

When I rented we had two cats, we just let the agents know and they knew which landlords were actually okay with pets. Always had plenty of properties providing we were happy to pay a much bigger deposit and have the carpets cleaned post check out

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Greenkit · 16/10/2018 21:48

And someone said back on the thread how I should have been more careful when getting animals..FFS I have been married 30yrs, my dogs are 4,6 and 11. Pretty much didn't think it would be this way.

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mrcharlie · 16/10/2018 21:49

Oh the irony

Since my last post 4 replies from landlords, which equates to at least four families unable to buy their own home.

Truly revolting, the sense of entitlement is vile!!

MakeAHouseAHome · 16/10/2018 21:49

End of thr day landlords aren't a charity. They don't have to accept anyone and can out in whatever rules they want.

Personally, I would happily allow dogs but not smokers, kids or DSS. it is personal preference.

Warpdrive · 16/10/2018 21:50

Deposit won't cover what you want OP. Deposit is to cover damage/repairs when you leave, not wear and tear. 3 dogs and a cat would mean substantially more wear and tear to the fabric of the property. The costs of that wear and tear would have to be rolled up into the rent and you'd end up with a much higher rent to pay. Would you mind paying extra rent?

Rinceoir · 16/10/2018 21:56

I rent for practical reasons. I am not settled in a permanent job and in London just for a few years so doesn’t make sense to buy right now for practical reasons. I have a good income, good deposit and mortgage approval in case I change my mind.

What I object to is not being allowed to decorate my home which I rent unfurnished in any way. I’m pretty sick of magnolia walls and would like to fix a bookcase to the wall so I don’t need to worry about my small child being near one. And maybe hang some of the nice artwork I have collected. It’s my home which I pay a lot for and I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

acivilcontract · 16/10/2018 21:57

Don't be daft mr you have no idea if others are being deprived of homes. We are living overseas temporarily so if we didn't rent our house it would just be empty. There is no great shortage of houses in our area so our rent covers our mortgage more or less but that is it. No huge profits, no buyers unable to source property. The government makes money from tax instead of stamp duty. There really is very little drama involved all round.

OP you could offer to rent on a longer contract, which might make you more attractive to some landlords.

AgnesBrownsCat · 16/10/2018 21:57

We have several rental properties . We ask for non smokers , don’t mind benefits , prefer no pets . Most of our tenants are long term tenants though so if they want a pet we tend to work with them . I’m thinking one dog or a couple of cats though . Three is a lot .
They can paint walls until their hearts content as long as they run it past us first . It’s their home for as long as they want it .

MakeAHouseAHome · 16/10/2018 21:59

Warpdrive, OP has already stated that property is unfurnished so all soft furnishings are hers anyway. Are you saying the dogs walking around on the floor are causing thousands of pounds of wear and tear?!

Ultimately as I say, landlords property, they can do whatever they want. They are NOT a charity as some people seem to think.

However, some peoples uninformed opinions of dogs as some kind of stinking heap of destructive god knows what are just a joke.... give me a dog over a child or a smoker anyday.

acivilcontract · 16/10/2018 22:00

rince I negotiated with my landlord about what kind of hooks I could use. I have in the past explained the safety requirements of fixing bookcases, neither has been an issue. The magnolia walls I just live with! My tenant has mostly white though as that is what I liked.

InertPotato · 16/10/2018 22:01

Since my last post 4 replies from landlords, which equates to at least four families unable to buy their own home.

You do realise that the UK doesn't have a planned economy, i.e. it doesn't produce a fixed number of widgets or houses or whatever?

WhatToDoAboutWailmerGoneRogue · 16/10/2018 22:07

My dogs do not smell, whippets are extremely clean, my mother would have told me otherwise

Your dogs do smell, OP. All dogs do. They have a very pervasive and lingering smell that even deep clean would struggle to get rid of after you left. Hence so few landlords allowing pets.

anniehm · 16/10/2018 22:08

If it's your house you can choose who you rent to within reason - pets is because of damage, sharers because the don't tend to take care of the house as much, no housing benefits is partly because btl lenders don't allow it and because of the risk of non payment. Plenty of landlords do accept pets and housing benefits but usually cap the number of pets at 2 I've been told