IMPORTANT. To ask if MNers are aware of this re Universal credit&SAHP’s?

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So up til now on tax credits one parent can stay home while the other parent works.
And for almost 20 years it’s been seen as completely acceptable

An example is a family with 3 dc
The FT working parent earns approx £26,000. The SAHP receives approx £100 a week in tax credits

Not only on Universal credit will that amount be much less (approx 30% iirc) but the previously SAHP will be made to attend the job centre and job search as a condition to receive Universal credit

The aim is so NOBODY is on “benefits”

There seems to be an assumption from the general public that this will only affect people not in work. THAT IS NOT THE CASE

No Ablouise Tax CREDITS are. People might have noticed the reframing of the narrative much earlier if they paid a bit less attention to what sleb has done what and reality TV.

Earlywalker

It's not as simple as that though, but obviously works for you.
Not everybody is in your position though and just because a person is a sahp doesn't mean they can give up other commitments to work.

Abilouise
My apologies, I wondered what you were on about and presumed facetious, sorry again

Flopsyrabbit you do realise tax credits were never intended to be considered benefits .
m.youtube.com/watch?v=8dllkfKg7B4

Tax credits “ if you’ve earned it make sure you claim it.

What are you entitled to?
Nothing, thanks to conservative governments.
Money with your name written on it, not anymore

What a disaster, for so many people.

Flopsyrabbit you do realise tax credits were never intended to be considered benefits .

if its means tested it is classed as a benefit

i know some people dont like to think they are benefits but they are

pure snobbery from those that dont like to think they themselves are claiming benefits like the other scroungers as they see it

flopsy

It didn't used to be when I first started claiming. But knock yourself out calling people scroungers.
It's a bit dumb lying about the facts to make yourself look spechull

Strangely enough it was during Cameron gov and his talk about curtain twitchers they became classed as benefits.

@MyDcAreMarvel

Playing a bit fast and loose with some advertisement, the terminology was mixed on its inception but it is still and was from inception classed as a state benefit.

Here is the opening speech made on Tax Credits.

www.ukpol.co.uk/gordon-brown-2002-speech-on-tax-credits/

As with the roll out of UC, the roll out of Tax credits also was mired with issues but without the outrage machine of Twitter and forums there wasn't as much visibility

www.ft.com/content/8053a064-ff9c-11d9-86df-00000e2511c8

And the legacy of Tax credits can also be seen today with the rise in Zero hour contracts and low pay

Frank Field explains some of it here:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11720057/Budget-2015-Gordon-Browns-tax-credits-monster-must-be-slain.html

it was tongue in cheek about scroungers ffs

some people dont like benefit claimants and liken them to scroungers but when they are on means tested benefit they tell themselves they are not benefits

its pretty simple if its means tested it is a benefit, what would you call Tax credits??

It's a bit dumb lying about the facts to make yourself look spechull

what was the lying then??

You sound about 6

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/12/universal-credit-iain-duncan-smith?CMP=share_btn_tw

Strangely enough it was during Cameron gov and his talk about curtain twitchers they became classed as benefits.

of course it was ....

Working Tax Credit (WTC) is a state benefit in the United Kingdom made to people who work and have a low income. It was introduced in April 2003 and is a means-tested benefit. Despite their name, tax credits are not to be confused with tax credits linked to a person's tax bill, because they are used to top-up wages. Unlike most other benefits, it is paid by HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Tax_Credit

www.gov.uk/topic/benefits-credits/tax-credits

Strangely enough it was during Cameron gov and his talk about curtain twitchers they became classed as benefits.

Also, people have very selective memories, the curtain started long before the Tories took office, it would help all round if people knew the history of some of their political tub thumping.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Capability_Assessment

People were earning 50k and claiming tax credits ten years ago. It was administered by hmrc not the dwp and paid to middle class earners precisely so it wasn’t viewed as a benefit.
The idea was for there to be no stigma in claiming tax credits. The name was chosen to make people comfortable in claiming.
Many thousands of children were lifted out of poverty.
The Tory’s are trying to rewrite history and it’s working.

Tax credits stop at what £32k whole family income.

Nope. It's possible to be getting tax credits on a much higher income, if you've several children and/or childcare costs. If you have three kids and are paying enough childcare, the threshold is over 60k.

www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/child-tax-credit

Hence the Middle England comment I think.

Just

I know what I remember and during labour there were no problems gaining tax credits, in fact they were at their highest.
You really like the tories, don't you

Oh, and your tax credits above is from the 2000's.
In their original form in the 90's they were sold to us as tax relief.
A tory government unless you are now claiming Major was a liberal or labour.
Make no mistake this mess is tory, robbing the poor again.

Did anyone else see Channel 4 News tonight. Two carers affected by this policy...............one of them is 15

Tonights lesson from Channel 4 news......................DONT BE A CARER.

Here it is.....................

www.channel4.com/news/whats-it-like-living-on-universal-credit

However tax credits might have been sold, they've never been tax relief because they've always been related to income not tax paid, and it's not a good thing to be inaccurate about what they are.

It was administered by hmrc not the dwp and paid to middle class earners precisely so it wasn’t viewed as a benefit.

it was still classed as a benefit officially and considering so no point trying to muddy the waters of it being HMRC or SWP

it could be said that the reason it was offered so high was
1.) to prevent outrage from the middle class in the "we have eradicated boom and bust" rhetoric

2.) plays into the stereo type of Labour governments trying to get as many people reliant on the state as possible (look at the outrage when the cap was reduced from £50K)

Many thousands of children were lifted out of poverty.

Thats playing fast and loose with political talk that both parties are guilty of, they did achieve it but no where near what the rose tinted glasses like to think.
blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/tax-credit-cuts-mystery/

The Tory’s are trying to rewrite history and it’s working

What rewriting of history are the trying to do?
It's labour supporters who are trying to re-write history and think our low wage/zero hour economy, benefit sanctions, forcing people to get back into work only started in 2010, at a push it turns into "Not True Labour", JC wasn't going to undo the majority of benefit restrictions brought in by Cameron either so unless he watches Channel 5 and reads the Daily Mail religiously it could mean that the Tories are not the second coming of the Third Reich

We get the governments we deserve.

OP if you worked PT on the two days a week your dh was home with the kids you would bring in more than the UC you claim.

@RomanyRoots

Your ramble makes no sense.

If you cannot remember tabloid headlines with sad faces about demanding letters from HMRC then we can just play partisan shit.

*Oh, and your tax credits above is from the 2000's.
In their original form in the 90's they were sold to us as tax relief. *

Oh so you can point out technicalities when it suits your argument. The Tax Credits today are a Labour issue, they were a flag ship policy that rolled up and scrapped previous policies, I'm sure if they had gone well you would be the first to say it was originally a Tory policy.

You really like the tories, don't you
Nope, but at the minute they are far better than the current shit show of the shadow cabinet, Brexit is a fucking nightmare and should be cancelled, I just like to point out the hypocrisy of the political tub thumping at people who make claims like this

Make no mistake this mess is tory, robbing the poor again.

And try to rewrite history as it only starting in 2010 and pass it off as "not true labour" or ^iT wAs An ExIsTinG tOrY pOliCy" as high brow political nous.

@UnsolicitedCockPics
Thank you for understanding me. It was proper shit now we just get what we earn. X

Lurker

The present and past TORY PM's have fucked up tax credits and the benefit system.
When DC was PM he moved the goal posts so the mc/rich people were no longer entitled to TC. Then came the curtain twitching speech because the mc were jealous of poor people for some reason.
You can't argue with that, as you can see it on this thread.

Meanwhile "us scroungers" who receive TC are vilified if we can manage a sahp, whilst people who work get paid for their childcare.
And this is supposed to improve things.