To think Gordon Brown is right about UC

[Orangeblossom1976]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/universal-credit-gordon-brown-poll-tax-riots-benefits-dwp-roll-out-nationwide-a8576751.html

Remember what happened when they tried the tax credits cuts? I think thus might be worse. And with Brexit too...but oh I forgot it is the end of Austerity. Right.

Poll tax riots my arse - poll tax affected everyone , UC only affects those who claim. They can riot if they want but then get sanctioned for not attending a work interview and spending 8 hours not looking for a job.

Nice smearing of a whole cohort of people. BTW UC will be replacing child tax credit, which is paid to people in full time work. Many, many "decent hardworking families" will lose out.

Babyroobs - yes there is a social worker and advocate. The problem is the SW is only in 2 days and the advocate 1 day. They have lots of patients to deal with and each patient has lots of things to deal with. They also have to attend meetings/ward round in this time. So consequently I might not see them for a couple of weeks and when I do we only have time to deal with one thing. At the moment the advocate is trying to get me a reduction or exemption on my council tax and the SW is helping me with budgeting and medical forms for my mortgage. We will get onto UC at one point but it is just one slow step at a time.

At least whilst you are in hospital you get 3 meals a day.

Now they are saying they may put money into the transitional part but not the UC itself. Think this is sneaky as a change in circs means it is lost. They don't want to invest in the actual UC itself as would mean changing the amount people get not just now but it years to come.

I doubt they'll be riots. The frackers being jailed was a warning.
You can't demonstrate peacefully, so you'd probably be shot for rioting.

YY sovery a lot of people will be affected including childminders who look after the children of more well off families.

Are those families going to pay the childminders more so they dont have to claim.

A lot more will be affected by UC than by fracking.

UC will affect 7 million families so approximately 21 million people

The community charge did indeed affect everyone over 18 but for a large portion of the population it was a positive as far cheaper than the rates system it replaced therefore in terms of negative affect it may not be much different in numbers

Not everyone would protest anyway, some people are better off on it, some people didn't qualify for anything with the tax credit system but now get help under UC. It really just depends on individual circumstances, rent etc.

i said on the first page they would do something in the budget regarding this,and like i said people will except it cos thats what we do

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/14/universal-credit-hits-vulnerable-hardest

helenawere attracted to the same threads

just read, this is getting blardy daft, all these differrent figures, changing by the day

how can a Gov implement a huge change without not knowing basic facts and figures

@Helena - there'll always be care workers, childminders, street cleaners etc. All this woe that there won't be is tosh.

The only good thing is the wage may rise if there is a shortage workers, however, as there are eleventy million mothers all taking BTech TA qualifications there never be shortage of TA's will to work for the NMW.

Well @Neshoma thats not all was getting at and well you know it i guess ive got my answer A lot of wealthier families not unlike yourself im guessing wont be willing to put their money where their mouths are and pay childminders cleaners etc more so they dont have to claim UC.

Another circle im having trouble squaring is why some are happy to leave their children to be looked after by somebody they obviously look down on and despise!!!

Universal Credit driving women to prostitution.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/universal-credit-driving-women-prostitution-13420230?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6278069/Furious-clashes-Universal-Credit-MP-claims-driving-women-PROSTITUTES.html

McVey keeps saying if people worked more they would be OK. But that is missing the point. She is treating in work benefits such as tax credits, as if they are out of work benefits. With UC it is cut off so quickly it doesn't work like the in work benefits do. Argh.

Just shows how out of touch they are.

McVey wants Victorian values adhered to, many of them out there do and regard the poor as stupid scroungers just like the workhouse officials used to back in the mid 1800s

Frank Field claims botched universal credit roll out is forcing some women into prostitution
Peter Walker

Peter Walker

Esther McVey has strongly hinted that she is pressuring Philip Hammond for more money for universal credit and other benefits in this month’s budget, telling MPs she would be “championing” the needs of claimants.

In the first departmental question session since McVey herself conceded that the wider rollout of UC would see some claimants worse off, the work and pension secretary saw several questions about UC and the impact of the wider benefits freeze.

Neil Gray, the SNP’s work and pensions spokesman, asked McVey is she had asked the chancellor for more funding for UC in the budget. She answered:

Of course I don’t let people know what we do in private meetings, old fashioned as that might be. But what he can know is I am championing UC to make sure that it works the best it can possibly can work. Take from that as you will.

She reiterated the point when Labour MP Karen Buck asked if McVey was seeking to alleviate the benefits freeze. McVey said:

Again, I won’t be saying exactly what I’ve been saying in private conversations, but you can sure I will be championing our claimants, and making sure that what we do is fair to claimants and the taxpayer.

The exchanges also saw an eye-catching intervention from Frank Field, the veteran Labour – and now independent – MP who chairs the work and pension committee. He said that some women in his Birkenhead constituency had been pushed into sex work because of the local rollout of UC.

Urging McVey to visit the area, Field said that in Birkenhead ”it’s not going as well as we’re told in the House of Commons, and where some women have taken to the red light district for the first time.

I can believe that helena.
I've had some dark 3am moments panicking about UC. I'm lucky that I can probably hang in there as I have low housing costs (mortgage) but many women don't.

Wonder if they will pause this transfer any further.

This is the man who sold our Gold reserves at the bottom of the market! What a bloody fool. He may or may not be right but very easy to point fingers from the sidelines. Personally i would just make the first 25K people earn as tax free. Disincetivises staying on benefits as a choice and people on this salaries are hardly going to be able to save much hence most will come back into the economy via purchase of goods and services thereby generating VAT, more jobs or indirect taxes.

But if they delay the transfer people will still eventually be out of pocket

If they delay and look at uc again and implement change then thats difffetrent

I just want it scrapped

Gordon who raided the pension schemes when he was exchequer.

BBC reporting they are pausing it to try and sort some things out.

Just some things.

The fundamental problem here is they don’t want to sort things out because it’s part of a deliberate policy. Some of the implementation problems, while predictable, weren’t intentional. But the change to universal credit was always supposed to leave people worse off. Often the people who can least afford it.