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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To uninvite ‘DM’ to birth?

68 replies

Soontobemama1 · 06/10/2018 01:13

First time poster and long thread but please hang in there!

For background my DM is a very very difficult person to put it nicely. My DP’s split when I was 4, the typical mother stopped father seeing child because she was bitter scenario took place and my father got to see me EOW on the basis he paid CSA and extra in cash on a certain date (if he didn’t , he didn’t see me, court order or not, this was years ago when police wouldn’t of done anything) . Anyway, she is a good mum in many ways, but has major demons/problems and was very manipulative, controlling and emotionally and sometimes physically violent towards me. For example , when I was little she would tell me if I slept at my dads she would be in the house alone and he would sneak out when I was asleep and kill her. Therefore I was terrified to sleep at my dads, I wouldn’t tell anybody why as I was so scared and she ‘won’ because everyone thought I just didn’t want to spend time with my dad (I was a huge daddy’s girl and her behaviour still affects me to this day- anxiety etc)

She cut herself off from all 4 of her sisters, her father (basically all her dads side), most of her friends , all my godparents, hates her neighbours, my grandmas neighbours, anyone really! Could start an argument with a cardboard box! Grin

I went to live with my DF when I was 10 through a court order where I was old enough to be part of the decision making, we then didn’t have much contact at all for years and then whatever contact we had was difficult/traumatic etc until I got back in contact properly when my grandma and grandad died 6 weeks apart 2 years ago. Since then a lot has happened and she has been great in many many ways, supportive of my DP (older and dad didn’t approve Hmm) helped me with all sorts and I am obviously grateful.

Anyway this was years ago and I thought she’d changed a lot, however now I know this isn’t true!
I am 28 weeks pregnant with my first baby, However, I didn’t tell my DM I was pregnant until I was 10 weeks (me and DP wanted to make sure all was actually okay first at early scan, just my way of thinking) and she was annoyed rather than happy when we told her that she had been informed after my cousin (who is basically like my sister and was told at 3 weeks as I needed to tell someone!). She straight away said ‘well I’ll be annoyed if Im not in the room when you give birth’ and I said oh you can be if you like. 1. Because I was on cloud 9 announcing the baby and was feeling very positive about mine and my DM’s relationship 2. I didn’t want any arguments if I said no (which there would be)

Since being pregnant for the last few months, my hormones and thoughts have changed a lot and she has acted strangely on many occasions throughout my pregnancy. A few examples, she rang me in hysterics (knowing I’d only just been released from hospital hours earlier due to horrendous pains in stomach thought I was miscarrying etc) about some colleague at work and starting saying ‘I’ve definatley got baby brain my hormones are everywhere’. when my grandma paid for our nursery furniture my DM wanted it delivered and assembled to her house (???) however on being corrected she didn’t argue just sulked, she is also point blank refusing to be called grandma, nana, nan or any of the appropriate wording for a bloody grandmother, she has come up with some ridiculous nickname she expects my little boy to run around calling her, which wouldn’t do him any favours when he gets to school. Whilst in the car with me and DP she starting talking about how she’s still having periods and could easily still get pregnant (she’s only 50, DP didn’t know where to look and commented on how strange it was), she’s insisting she hates every name we come up with and has a list of about 5 horrendous names and when we say no she sulks and says she needs involvement in the name choosing and that we need to adapt his middle name to her name!! the latest one has been discussing child care and stating she doesn’t trust my DF to look after the baby and that his partner shouldn’t be involved at all and that she wants to take a year off work to stay with me and baby,to ‘help out’ take over .

The most worrying thing is im having a boy and I’m my DM’s only child (obviously female) and she has always told me throughout my life she always wanted a boy and when her sister got pregnant with my cousin (boy) she stopped speaking to her for ages through jealousy and said she had taken the life she always wanted. We had a gender reveal and When we found out it was a boy you can hear on the video she took that she was sighing. I may sound neurotic but I’m adamant she’s jealous. a few years ago she asked to have said cousin overnight (aged 6 at the time), she had agreed to return him to my auntie at a certain time the next day, the certain time came and she had turned her phone off and taken him out all day, my auntie clearly going out of her mind and my DM didn’t return until around 4 hours later and acted as if nothing had happened. She has also done similar things recently with our dog (I know I know it’s a dog, it’s the principle please hang in there!) But she’s insisted on me giving her a key so she can take him out and then we have returned home 2 hours later expecting her to have walked him and gone, yet got home to her and the dog gone and us waiting around (actually missed an appointment) and she had turned her phone off. Rocked up 20 minutes later saying she had taken him on another walk as he was crying (hasn’t cried since he was 10 weeks old, he’s 10 months old now) I think it’s a power thing. These are obviously a few examples and my DP has agreed as great as she is with kids, he’s worried she would do something stupid like take him out for the day pretending he’s her son and then not return back until 10 pm at night or even just take him back to her house overnight and just not tell us, then make up some excuse as she always does.

Thank you if you’ve got this far!! My AIBU is that I’m actually worried that she will start to take over from the start basically with the baby, I know I’m going to need help etc but I’m a VERY independent person and have OCD and this baby has been longed for after a lot of heartache. Not to mention my DP is amazing,will be so supportive and is already very hands on with his other 2 children etc, and I’m possibly going to be out of it and not able to voice my opinions to her at the birth , ie could you just not hold my baby first as he is you know, my baby (she has stated if I have a EMCS or I’m too ‘out of it’, she could be first to hold him) and I just know she would start bloody shouting at the poor midwives if she wasn’t happy with something. Generally I’ve just changed my mind and think I would rather me and my DP only! (I’m private anyway and having my first baby is massive and me and my DM aren’t thick as thieves like other mother daughter relationships)
I just want some advice about how to go about this without her massively kicking off. She will anyway in one way or another, but AIBU or do I have every right to say well actually I’ve just changed my mind and want just DP there with not much more explanation than that?

Please don’t jump on the ‘she’s your mother don’t be so rude when she’s offering help’ bandwagon because her favours always end in more stress! Just here posting for advice and support really (if anyone’s got a difficult DM or MIL?!)

Thankyou for reading all of this!

OP posts:
Starlight345 · 06/10/2018 09:58

You sound like you have your head screwed on but you still feel you can’t say no . Low contact is the key if you can’t/ don’t want to go nc.

I agree change the licks too

Starlight345 · 06/10/2018 09:58

Locks not licks😳

HelenUrth · 06/10/2018 10:03

Why do actually want her in your life? If you think it's bad now it's going to be much much worse when baby arrives. I'd suggest you have some counselling sessions to help you clarify your thinking. It seems to me you're deeply mired in FOG (Fear, Obligation & Guilt, read up on it), and unable to enforce boundaries thanks to her historic abusive behaviour.

Frogscotch7 · 06/10/2018 10:09

I’d tell her ASAP you don’t want her around when you have the baby. Let her have her almighty tantrum before the baby actually arrives and hopefully she will stop talking to you and you’ll get to enjoy the first weeks of your beautiful new baby. Congratulations to you and dh and so sorry you have to deal with your crazy Mum on top of a pregnancy. Good luck!

notapizzaeater · 06/10/2018 10:10

Def change the locks, I bet she will just turn up after the birth and let herself in 'to help'

ZigZagZebras · 06/10/2018 10:17

Don't tell her when you go into labour. Wait until you're feeling up to visitors before telling her, if she asks why you didn't sooner there's plenty of reasons (exhausted after labour, phone was dead and dp had to wait until I was feeling OK to go and get charger from home etc)

Make it clear from the start that baby wont be going anywhere without you. Have a list of replies
Eg. 'I'll take the baby out in the pram'
-Ok I'll just get ready then we can go
-thanks for the offer but I'm not ready to be away from him yet

"Has your dads partner seen him"
-Im not discussing dad with you. Do you want a cup of tea (or similar subject change)

RangeRider · 06/10/2018 10:48

I’m really sorry but I wouldn’t let your child be anywhere near your mother, she’s manipulating and controlling
Yes, read that other thread where the OP has had to move away from her mother because DM has had a really good try at ruining the OP's DD (OP is still struggling with the fallout and must have the patience of a saint). Change the locks to be on the safe side, never let her be alone with the child or they'll be gone for hours, don't tell her when you're going into labour and reduce contact. I can't see what positives she gives you, and as a PP said she won't change into the mother you want her to be.

MeredithGrey1 · 06/10/2018 11:11

I’m amazed you still speak to her. Not only would I not tell her when I went into labour, I wouldn’t tell her anything until I was back home from the hospital. I would also absolutely not let her look after your LO by herself given her history of just turning her phone off and disappearing with someone else’s child! That is absolutely insane! I probably wouldn’t let her near my child at all frankly.

She doesn’t have a right to anything when it comes to your child. She has shown repeatedly that she doesn’t deserve it, and would exploit it and cause harm.

Ceilingrose · 06/10/2018 11:18

Do it. Your birth, your choices. It isn't about what she wants.

It would really help you to develop some boundaries so that you can manage that relationship a bit more easily. There are some very good books on boundaries on the internet.

seven201 · 06/10/2018 11:25

She sounds an utter nightmare. You say she will kick off anyway so it doesn't really matter how you tell her. Just tell her!

My Mum was lovely and I wouldn't have wanted her at the birth had she been alive. And you say you know you'll need the help. You don't need her help. I didn't have much help but made new mum friends and got support that way. Not domestic help though - that would have been nice!

You need to tell her not to tell work she's taking a year off / resigning. Do that soon! Don't let her have access to your keys - she will get a copy made.

It's up to you whether you want to stop contact fully, but you need to at least reduce it for your own sanity. She's very manipulative and not thinking of you. She's all about herself. Put your and your baby's needs first and start saying no to her. Just walk away/leave if she starts tantruming.

anitagreen · 06/10/2018 12:18

Oh god I'd go NC for a whilst after baby is born and just have some time away from her I wouldn't trust her with a pen let alone a baby

Whitecurrants · 06/10/2018 14:29

I’m struggling to imagine why you would even think about thinking about allowing her to be there for the birth. I get on fine with my DM but I still wouldn’t want her there. Yours sounds awful and definitely to be kept away.

I would tell her now rather than just not letting her know as otherwise you’ll be going through labour with a thought in the back of your mind that she might suddenly turn up. Let her be offended but you need to get this relationship back on your terms.

twoshedsjackson · 06/10/2018 14:56

I read this on another thread, so take no credit for being original, but..... you have an awkward face to face meeting coming up, where you say things she won't want to hear; have your smartphone in your pocket. Visualise, inside the smart phone all the positive thoughts and encouragement you have had here, an army of tiny little Mumsnetters, cheering you on. I know it sounds bonkers, but anything to make you smile.......

PeasAreGreat · 06/10/2018 15:06

If you do have her there, make sure you have a birth plan, and with that birth plan make sure you speak to whoever is delivering the baby and they know your plans. You need to tell them that under no circumstances is baby to go to DM first, that either he goes to you, or secondly DP. They will respect your wishes!
But if I were you I would try not to have her there. Not sure what reason you can give but possibly that you just want to share the most precious moment with your DP but you will absolutely cal her as soon as baby has arrived and she is welcome to come to the hospital for cuddles Smile good luck OP!! Xx

MrsOprah · 06/10/2018 16:38

YANBU xx

t00dle00 · 06/10/2018 16:45

Tell her you're only allowed/having one birth partner and that's your dp.

Feefeetrixabelle · 06/10/2018 16:52

Have an agreement with your partner that you will both only announce you’ve gone into labour once the babies actually been born.

I would also change your locks because I wouldn’t trust to have not had a copy of the key done. Especially if she handed it over willingly.

And simply don’t let her have unsupervised access. There’s no need for her to do so. Your son has two parents who can take care of everything.

I’d also announce the birth once immediate family are informed with a picture sent to everyone of your son and announce him name before they arrive. Or I’d say you were thinking about it then register him before you tell her.

sophiec123 · 06/10/2018 23:21

I've skimmed this as there are quite few comments- may be repeating..

Personally if this was me I'd have to be honest and if that means you have to be blunt and "upset" her then so be it! You have every right to YOUR decisions about YOUR baby! You have nothing to lose, by the sounds of it she has serious mental health issues and would probably be a blessing in disguise if you parted ways again (sorry to be so blunt), I would be very weary of her, I know she is your mother but she does sound unstable! I wouldn't be able to trust her with my child/dog/house/plant.. when you give birth to your baby and see how precious and fragile they are you'll be weary of anybody handling them, let alone someone who's intentions you aren't sure of.

It's sad but it sounds like you had a breath of fresh air when you left and went to your dads and seems like she is dragging you down again. In your post you mention her emotions change and that she would get angry at midwives and it just seems like you may be tiptoeing around her as if you're worried. That's not somebody I'd want in the room with me. Just remember you are a grown adult and can make choices for you.

This woman abused you mentally and physically, don't forget that. How would you feel about leaving baby with her? How do you know she won't cause any harm to your baby. I don't mean to sound like a dick, I have an 8 month old and was/am super weary of anyone handling my daughter.

I'll stop rambling now.. I think you could say "look we appreciate you and want you to be around the baby and you're welcome to come and visit whenever you want but we've decided that we would like to be in the room just us two" .. simple as that.

I hope everything goes well, don't have shitty people in your life dragging you down xx

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