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To discuss childbirth in public

76 replies

bumblenbean · 05/10/2018 17:11

Something happened today which upset me and would like to know if others think I or the other people were being unreasonable.

I had my second baby 3 weeks ago. Labour (and the aftermath) with my first baby was extremely difficult and traumatic, whereas this time round the birth was luckily Much quicker and easier (although extremely painful as no time for epidural).

I was out for lunch today with a friend who is 2 weeks from giving birth to her first baby. She’s naturally quite nervous and asked me about the birth this time round as she knows how badly things went last time. So I explained about the experience this time, waters breaking, what contractions felt like, the pain levels, what actual birth felt like etc. We were talking at normal volume (I hate it when people have really loud conversations that everyone else has to listen to and have always been pretty ‘discreet’ in that sense) and I didn’t say anything that I would consider offensive or TMI (on the basis that she wanted the details). The only remotely TMI thing I said was what it felt like when waters broke (that my leggings were soaked through as if I’d stepped under the shower and that I had to get changed several times). I also said that at the moment the baby came out I felt like I was going to be sick as if I was having a reflex sensation at the same time as the contraction.

The people at the next table had been paying their bill when the conversation began (young couple mid/ late 20s). As they stood up to leave the woman said loudly ‘that’s disgusting’ while giving us a dirty look. As they walked past her boyfriend sneered sarcastically ‘enjoy your lunch’ and they walked away.

My friend and I were both so taken aback we didn’t react immediately but when I realised they were talking to us I called after him ‘I’m sorry discussing the process of childbirth offends you’. He threw a dirty look over his shoulder but they continued walking out.

For context we were sitting on an outside roof terrace, there were plenty of conversations going on around us and I couldn’t hear anyone else’s conversation. We certainly weren’t talking loudly, although nor were we whispering since it didn’t occur to us anyone would be listening let alone being mortally offended. I consider myself pretty ‘socially aware’ so to speak, and considerate of how my behaviour could affect those around me. I just genuinely never thought this conversation was an issue.

We were both upset by the incident and I felt like it put a dampener on our meet up. I felt ashamed like I’d been discussing something awful. But at the same time we were also both angry about it because it seemed so unnecessary and passive aggressive. If they really were offended ( and I don’t see what’s shameful about childbirth) they could have said something to us ‘face to face’ so to speak rather than as they were walking away, thus not giving us a chance to respond.

I could understand if we’d been going into graphic detail or talking loudly, but we weren’t. They’d also finished their meal so couldn’t have been put off their food or anything, which at a stretch I suppose I could understand. If they had said something while still at their table i would have apologised for offending them but explained that I didn’t think it was an inappropriate conversation and that perhaps they shouldn’t listen to other people’s conversations.

I would also have probably found it easier to just dismiss the experience if it had been a couple of teenage ‘lads’ saying something like that but I was really surprised a woman made the comment. Maybe that’s not even relevant.

So were we BU to discuss childbirth in public or was their reaction over the top? Prepared to be told I’m in the wrong but as I was quite upset by it I’m interested to hear what other people think.

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Kescilly · 05/10/2018 20:43

I think I’m finding it difficult to believe that they were going out of their way to eavesdrop on a conversation that they didn’t want to hear. You might have been louder or the sound might have travelled more than you realized.

Personally I wouldn’t want to hear this while at lunch, but I would not feel comfortable asking someone to stop their conversation either.

BlessYour2Sizes2SmallHeart · 05/10/2018 20:47

Sounds like they heard a tidbit of the conversation then purposely listened in just to claim to be offended.

Drama fucking queens. 👸

DoJo · 05/10/2018 21:20

Eating in a group means that there is often more uninterrupted chat than there is when you are out as a couple. Especially if you are hungry and both eating, in which case it's perfectly possible to overhear a conversation without going out of your way to listen in while you were unable to hear others' conversations over your own.

For that reason, I wouldn't discuss the details of my waters breaking, what crowning feels like or my urge to vomit where other people are eating. I can see why they felt it wasn't a particularly pleasant conversation to be having over lunch, but I don't think there's any reason to believe that they were trying to shame you specifically about childbirth, just that they ended up listening to a conversation that put them off their lunch and they would have preferred not to.

It's not the end of the world - they might not have wanted to say anything while they were eating because they didn't want an even more awkward atmosphere, or that they just wanted to finish and leave once their lunch had been ruined (in their eyes at least).

bumblenbean · 05/10/2018 21:22

Thank you for all your replies, it’s really interesting to hear the mixed views. I think it’s really the way they made their feelings known (rather than the fact they didn’t like the conversation) that got to me ...

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bumblenbean · 05/10/2018 21:24

DoJo yes I can see in hindsight that maybe it wasn’t the best place to discuss it. But they were paying their bill rather than eating so don’t think we could’ve been said to have ruined their lunch Blush

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Moussemoose · 05/10/2018 21:59

So outside, in a busy restaurant, while having a conversation they heard something they didn't like and.........leaned in to hear all the gory details.

They made an effort to listen to something they didn't like! Bloody weirdos. And then, and then they have the nerve to tut at the OP.

Only one set of weirdos out today and it wasn't the OP.

Onlyfamandclosefknow · 05/10/2018 22:02

Do you really think people would make an effort to listen to a conversation that they found disgusting?

Wolfiefan · 05/10/2018 22:04

They were paying their bill the whole time you were telling that story?
Inappropropriate at lunch.

WorraLiberty · 05/10/2018 22:27

leaned in to hear all the gory details is stretching it a little even by Mumsnet standards.

They overheard a conversation that they thought was disgusting, given that they'd just eaten lunch and other people were still eating.

They were wrong to say anything to OP. They should've just left.

But it doesn't mean they 'leaned in to listen'.

Moussemoose · 05/10/2018 22:34

In a busy restaurant. Lots of other people talking. Outside. They were having a conversation at normal levels. To hear the details of another conversation takes effort hence "leans in".

Chatting to someone else, in a busy restaurant, outside, the clatter of plates and cutlery, background music (possibly) you can't hear other conversations in detail unless you make an effort.

Weirdos.

surreygirl1987 · 05/10/2018 22:36

I disagree! It is perfectly possible. We weren't there - we don't know how loudly op was really talking or the exact volume of the restaurant! I've heard weird conversations in restaurants before completely unintentionally!

Wolfiefan · 05/10/2018 22:36

Or OP was louder than she thought.

HannahHut · 05/10/2018 22:53

I don't think they were offended, just not wanting to hear the over dinner.

I deal with the deceased as my job but I know when it's not appropriate to talk about it. Bloating and decay over dinner or in public is a no-no, even though it's as natural as childbirth. Sorry OP, ywbu.

bumblenbean · 05/10/2018 22:55

Thank you mousse!

As I say we weren’t talking loudly but we weren’t talking in hushed tones either. I certainly couldn’t hear anyone else’s conversation, although I suppose if I’d really stopped to listen I might have been able to.

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PenguinSaidEverything · 05/10/2018 23:02

YANBU. They sound extremely childish.

Benandhollysmum · 05/10/2018 23:02

Shouldn’t have been listening to your conversation, says more about them than you, eeriewigging on others not talking themselves, must be a wonderful relationship that.

ShadyLady53 · 05/10/2018 23:22

I do think it’s inappropriate to discuss childbirth whilst out for lunch, sorry. Perhaps you were unaware of your speaking volume. I think these things are better spoken about in a more private setting. I would have been pretty pissed off if I was on a lunch date or out for a nice lunch with family and friends and I had no choice but to hear someone talking about their birth experience. It seems like bad manners.

However, the couple were intentionally rude and that’s much worse. At least you are reflecting on wether or not it was appropriate, I doubt they are reflecting on how nasty they were! That must have been really unpleasant for you, so I’m sorry you experienced that.

TheSerenDipitY · 06/10/2018 06:00

id rather hear about it then have to watch it ever again

Bibijayne · 06/10/2018 06:35

7 weeks postpartum with first baby.

I wish more people spoke honestly and openly about pregnancy and childbirth. It's hard and often frightening. Having real info (but bit deliberate horror stories) would have been really useful!

Deadbudgie · 06/10/2018 06:44

I’m in 2minds here. Personally I think childbirth is sugar coated too much and the risks and realities are airbrushed in the fear of upsetting someone. There needs to be more people discussing the realities rather than just discussing the pros and cons of water births etc. But I once told a woman to change the subject after discussing an operation in gory detail over breakfast in a family hotel when she had been drinking on for 20 min. As soon
As I spoke quite a few people joined in. She too apparently thought she had been talking quietly,so mealtimes are prob not the best time to bring this up

PurpleFlower1983 · 06/10/2018 06:47

YABU, it could be a triggering subject for someone.

cariadlet · 06/10/2018 06:51

I think that the way the couple spoke to you was rude and unnecessary.

But, I do think it's the kind of conversation that would be better had over a coffee at a friend's house. It's not the kind of thing that other people would necessarily want to overhear - especially when they're trying to eat.

Some posters accused the couple of being rude for listening in, but that wasn't necessarily the case. Our voices can be louder than we realise, a lull in your own conversation can force you to listen to other people's conversations.

I always find myself tracking the conversations of people around me and find it hard to tune them out and focus on the person that I want to listen to (awaiting appointment at neurological clinic for possible ASD diagnosis).

There are all sorts of reasons why people might not want to hear a stranger's birth story and reasons why they might be struggling to avoid overhearing. A bit of consideration and self-awareness never hurts.

PinguDance · 06/10/2018 12:36

I terms of ‘triggering subjects’ around kids - in my experience you have to woman up pretty fucking quickly cos ‘triggering’ things are everywhere. I have cried in public transport cos a family got on, I burst into tears because someone asked me very innocently if I had kids. I read the OP again and it doesn’t sound anything like someone was upset it sounds like they were being dicks after hearing a conversation for approx 5 mins.

bumblenbean · 06/10/2018 12:55

I’m sorry you had that experience pingu Sad I would hate to think I’d upset anyone but as you say it was more that they were just disgusted and arsey rather than upset. Still, I suppose they could have had their own issues around kids and that was their reaction.

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Ohluckyme · 06/10/2018 13:08

I think people who have children and have conceived easily don’t have much tact or sympathy for those who have struggled with baby loss etc. They are in their own little happy bubbles. After ive been through it I’ll know to be more tactful if I’m ever lucky enough to go through childbirth with a live baby at the end. Some conversations need a time and a place.