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To discuss childbirth in public

76 replies

bumblenbean · 05/10/2018 17:11

Something happened today which upset me and would like to know if others think I or the other people were being unreasonable.

I had my second baby 3 weeks ago. Labour (and the aftermath) with my first baby was extremely difficult and traumatic, whereas this time round the birth was luckily Much quicker and easier (although extremely painful as no time for epidural).

I was out for lunch today with a friend who is 2 weeks from giving birth to her first baby. She’s naturally quite nervous and asked me about the birth this time round as she knows how badly things went last time. So I explained about the experience this time, waters breaking, what contractions felt like, the pain levels, what actual birth felt like etc. We were talking at normal volume (I hate it when people have really loud conversations that everyone else has to listen to and have always been pretty ‘discreet’ in that sense) and I didn’t say anything that I would consider offensive or TMI (on the basis that she wanted the details). The only remotely TMI thing I said was what it felt like when waters broke (that my leggings were soaked through as if I’d stepped under the shower and that I had to get changed several times). I also said that at the moment the baby came out I felt like I was going to be sick as if I was having a reflex sensation at the same time as the contraction.

The people at the next table had been paying their bill when the conversation began (young couple mid/ late 20s). As they stood up to leave the woman said loudly ‘that’s disgusting’ while giving us a dirty look. As they walked past her boyfriend sneered sarcastically ‘enjoy your lunch’ and they walked away.

My friend and I were both so taken aback we didn’t react immediately but when I realised they were talking to us I called after him ‘I’m sorry discussing the process of childbirth offends you’. He threw a dirty look over his shoulder but they continued walking out.

For context we were sitting on an outside roof terrace, there were plenty of conversations going on around us and I couldn’t hear anyone else’s conversation. We certainly weren’t talking loudly, although nor were we whispering since it didn’t occur to us anyone would be listening let alone being mortally offended. I consider myself pretty ‘socially aware’ so to speak, and considerate of how my behaviour could affect those around me. I just genuinely never thought this conversation was an issue.

We were both upset by the incident and I felt like it put a dampener on our meet up. I felt ashamed like I’d been discussing something awful. But at the same time we were also both angry about it because it seemed so unnecessary and passive aggressive. If they really were offended ( and I don’t see what’s shameful about childbirth) they could have said something to us ‘face to face’ so to speak rather than as they were walking away, thus not giving us a chance to respond.

I could understand if we’d been going into graphic detail or talking loudly, but we weren’t. They’d also finished their meal so couldn’t have been put off their food or anything, which at a stretch I suppose I could understand. If they had said something while still at their table i would have apologised for offending them but explained that I didn’t think it was an inappropriate conversation and that perhaps they shouldn’t listen to other people’s conversations.

I would also have probably found it easier to just dismiss the experience if it had been a couple of teenage ‘lads’ saying something like that but I was really surprised a woman made the comment. Maybe that’s not even relevant.

So were we BU to discuss childbirth in public or was their reaction over the top? Prepared to be told I’m in the wrong but as I was quite upset by it I’m interested to hear what other people think.

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crispysausagerolls · 05/10/2018 18:38

They had ample opportunity to say something to you DURING the conversation, politely, if it bothered them. What they did was rude and cowardly.

fwiw I think people need to get over themselves and if you were discussing it quietly it’s none of their business and they need to get a life. Probably they had nothing to talk about together so were eavesdropping. Childbirth is nothing to be ashamed of - quite the opposite actually - and congratulations on your second baby!

However I hope you didn’t scare your friend! Sometimes people say they want to know the gory details but if she is about to go into labour hearing about how painful it can be might not be as helpful as you think 🙈

DayManChampionOfTheSun · 05/10/2018 18:39

If you were talking at a normal level then I think Yanbu.

If you were talking loudly and the other table could not help but hear the conversation then I think yabu, no matter the subject.

somanybloodysticks · 05/10/2018 18:49

Yanbu child birth is a natural part of life, if people don't want to hear about it that's their problem, not yours!

Loads of stuff makes me squeumish / "triggers" me, some times for quite serious reasons but we can't all go around worrying about every single thing we say. Sonetimes you hear stuff you don't want to, that's life!

surreygirl1987 · 05/10/2018 18:49

Yeh can see both sides. I wouldn't want to have to listen to that over lunch but I wouldn't be so rude about it as it sounds like you weren't being that graphic.

I am pregnant at the moment though and I do really hate it when people tell me their birth stories... I really wouldn't want to hear them over lunch! A friend of mine had a stillborn and overhearing this over lunch would have been really difficult for her. That said, you can't live your life censoring yourself - I guess you just need to be mindful that other people might react in unexpected ways.

agnurse · 05/10/2018 18:54

I'm a nurse. You should see the topics I find acceptable to discuss at meals.

They say you know you're a nurse when you've been eating out in public and made someone at another table throw up.

bumblenbean · 05/10/2018 18:56

Thank you crispy

Thanks to all for your input, al valid points.

meow I agree - if they’d told us (politely!) at the time they had an issue with the conversation we would have been accommodating!

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thethoughtfox · 05/10/2018 19:08

The woman could have recently miscarried or be unable to conceive or have been unable to finish her lunch.

crispysausagerolls · 05/10/2018 19:09

thethoughtfox

But it’s not reasonable for people to live their lives not discussing things in case it triggers someone else. Otherwise we would
not be able to discuss anything!!! If it was upsetting them they needed only to have said so at the time and I’m sure OP would have understood

DeadGood · 05/10/2018 19:22

I don’t get all the YABUs on here.

I genuinely cannot think of a single time when I’ve even been aware of what a neighbouring table was discussing. Unless you were being very loud and gesticulating wildly - which you’ve said you weren’t - then how can it be a problem?!

The couple were in that awkward “we are about to pay” zone where conversation had dried up a bit between them, but that isn’t your fault OP. They could have just got up and taken their bill to the till if they found themselves getting so revolted.

theveryhighlife · 05/10/2018 19:26

I wouldn't worry op. They could have moved, or said something while you were chatting. Their aim was to humiliate. Don't let them get to you.

TeddybearBaby · 05/10/2018 19:27

Sounds like they were having a riveting time if they were focusing on you so much 😂. #getalife

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 05/10/2018 19:33

I don't know. I am massively squeamish and even people talking about going to the dentists or a minor medical procedure can genuinely make me feel lightheaded and faint. I generally mal à joke of it and ask people to stop before I keel over of they're talking to me directly. I dont think ywbu though and I wouldn't have said anything. But zone people have a lower tolerances for any medical type tall than others

bumblenbean · 05/10/2018 19:46

teddy Grin

theveryhighlife I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there - it did feel like they wanted to humiliate / shame us and it worked damn them! I felt weirdly ashamed even though I didn’t think we’d done anything wrong and was also angry. Probably over sensitive but it was just so unexpected!

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Cuddlykitten123 · 05/10/2018 19:53

Just wait till they end up working in an office with a pregnant lady and have to listen to all of the birth stories others will tell... They won 't be able to look any colleagues with kids in the eye again!

hannnnnnnxo · 05/10/2018 19:58

I see both sides really. I don’t think you said anything particularly vile or offensive.

However you don’t know what’s happening with the other couple, maybe they are recently expecting, had a miscarriage or have been trying to conceive etc so your general conversation topic may have hit a raw nerve and they lashed out sort of thing.

Also some people’s accents/voices stick out like a sore thumb. EG a child/toddler in a room full of adults would be hard to tune out due to the high pitched whiny voice, or a northerner in London etc. It’s possible that you just had ‘one of those’ voices (like imagine someone on a train having a phone conversation that you’re trying to tune out but just can’t sort of thing.) It’s possible that they weren’t intentionally trying to overhear you, but unfortunately couldn’t help but hear you speaking about bodily fluids etc. You may not have been as quiet as you assumed, and there’s certain topics that sound a bit gross over lunch.

Also your conversation may have been a bit graphic/visual for them. For example with someone speaking about sex, you wouldn’t be thinking about sex in general but of that person having sex. So instead of them thinking about childbirth in general, they were literally picturing bodily fluids, blood, smells, baby coming out of your vaj, waters breaking etc.

PurpleDaisies · 05/10/2018 19:59

Some people are squeamish. It’s not all that unusual not to want to hear about natural bodily processes when you’re eating.

They were ott saying something to you but I can understand people not wanting to hear that conversation. It’s not always easy to tune others out. You might have been talking louder than you thought.

barbiegrl · 05/10/2018 20:07

I went out last night with my sister and our husbands, at one point we were discussing our experiences of birth, apparently the table behind us went very quiet. They didn't say anything though,and as they were behind me I couldn't see their faces. We didn't go into explicit detail,and actually both of us were taking the piss out of our husbands and their antics while we were trying to deliver their darling children eg on of th husband's piped up that his hand felt very sore from all the squeezing-he didn't get much sympathy let me tell you! You were not being unreasonable hon

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Coffeeisnecessary · 05/10/2018 20:10

They shouldn't have been listening to your conversation. Yanbu at all.

Lulette · 05/10/2018 20:11

YANBU. In my opinion, people are free to talk about what they want over lunch as long as they’re not overly loud about it, which you’ve said you weren’t.

Congratulations BTW Smile

Onlyfamandclosefknow · 05/10/2018 20:14

As long as you weren't being loud I think you weren't in the wrong. I personally don't talk about (natural) but disgust-reflex topics like vomit/poo whilst people are eating. The poo thread earlier got lots of negative comments as it was lunchtime for example.

I wouldn't have said anything to you.

GinIsIn · 05/10/2018 20:22

I’m always bemused by people who say “it’s a natural thing”. So is projectile diarrhoea but you probably wouldn’t want to listen to a chat about it!

I’ve given birth, I am not remotely squeamish and can watch One Born without flinching but I wouldn’t choose to discuss it whilst other people were having their lunch, no.

Alpacanorange · 05/10/2018 20:27

Move on, you can’t please all of the people all of the time. And who cares to honestly?

Onlyfamandclosefknow · 05/10/2018 20:29

I wouldn't either but I wouldn't have said anything to someone who did. If they were talking loud enough about vomit or poo that I couldn't help but hear it and it put me off my lunch I'd be pissed off though.

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