AIBU to ask you to watch two pro-trans videos?

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There are lots of videos online, about trans people. Here are two that have stuck in my mind.
What do you think of them?

They are 21 and 28 minutes long

There is nothing wrong with parents accepting their children's choices and embracing them. That's great; that's what parents should do, as long as the children's choices don't harm themselves or others.
There is also nothing wrong with parents questioning their children's wish to transition. Being a medicalised trans person usually means permanent physical changes, lifelong dependence on pharmaceuticals, often dangerous surgeries and mental health effects. Parents who unquestioningly cheerleader their children's transitions are either ignorant, frightened of the alternative or abusive IMO.

Likewise young people who id as trans should be supported to express themselves however they wish, but not to the detriment of other children. The 'transgirl's' desire to be viewed as a girl doesn't take precedence over the girls' desire to have spaces away from boys.

i prefer funny cat videos

Why?

What did you think of the videos, OP?

The second one peddles the same false statistics as all other trans propaganda
The first is just pretty dull
Trans charities are unique in trying to halt any research into the condition/disorder
Can you imagine any other charity doing that?
Makes you think doesn't it

God no - I'm sick to death of the subject. I don't care what people do in their lives until it impacts negatively on others.

The problem is not/never has been individuals. The problem is with the damage to social structures, laws and regulations if we do not have the option to segregate based upon sex

Sorry, I should have given the timings of the videos.

I didn't want to state my views as I hoped people might comment about the content of the videos, rather than about my views.

But you seem to start from the premise that people here have something against individuals who are trans.

That ignores 2 important facts: some posters here are trans others state categorically, often, that the issue is with trans ideology, the loud and dismissive idea that women should not object to having their hard won rights deleted, just because!

I watched the first few minutes of the one on the right and saw the same sexist stereotypes - if you play with girl toys you must be a girl. Then that poor kid reciting genderist claims they clearly didn't generate themselves.

I couldn't bear to waste my time with any more of this rubbish. What ever happened to Let Toys Be Toys?

Trans ideology is full of regressive stereotypes. A boy who wants to be a princess is still a boy.

Mermaids and other lobby groups portray changing gender as all clothes, toys and stereotypes. Sparkly pink, unicorns and gender gingerbread figures. All very cosy.

However they steer well clear of acknowledging the brutal reality of medical transition, from the potential lifelong ill effects of puberty blockers and hormones to the removal of healthy tissue during major surgery.

Anyone who doubts this should search the phrase "phalloplasty arm scar". But I warn you that the images are NSFW and I found them very disturbing. That's why I'm not going to post a link.

The constant lies about the suicide rate of trans kids are used to pressure parents into going along with transition. Because most parents would be very worried about their DC being prescribed heavy duty drugs off label. By making it a choice between, as some genderists put it, a live daughter or a dead son, parents feel forced to agree.

araiwa I prefer funny cat videos Me too, and guinea pig videos even better!

Prawn I agree with you. I do think a small minority of gender dysphoric children do genuinely feel suicidal but am just not sure surgery and hormones are the answer. Plenty of anorexics fel suicidal- suicide is a common cause of death in anorexia but do we try to treat them by encouraging their delusion that they are fat?

I swear trans people can’t just exist without some people getting uppity.

LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 all the way

Losingthewill It is up to those who are LGBT to live as they want. The issue I have is when a small but vocal and bullying minority of them try to impose their lifestyle on the rest of us. eg Transwomen insisting they shold be allowed to answer the phone at Rape Crisis or take up a space in a woman's shelter.

Or saying that someone forgetting to use their preferred pronoun is "Literal violence." Very insulting to victims of actual violence and actual verbal or psychological abuse. Some of them even insist they can change what gender they identify with on a daily or a weekly basis. How insulting to the small minority of people with actual gender dysphoria who do not get to just switch gender whenver the wind blows because they "feel like being woman or man today." Time to get rid of terms like non-binary and just use gender dysphori ainstead. the genuine sufferers of GD are one thing and I sympathise with them. Some of them get beaten up and discriminated against. But not using their preferred pronoun has never harmed anyone. i have yet to hear of PTSD from misgendering or someone having an actual anxiety attack because they have to use the loo of their birth sex

Oh and they need to use the Disabled loos alone. Yes, they have a mental disorder, so, yes they are disabled but does it stop them from using the loo of their birth sex?? No, they would prefer to use the loo of their chosen sex, but if they do not get to use it they will be ok. it just might feel a bit odd for them. meanwhile the person with weak bladder/IBS/in a wheelchair/someone with panic attacks in small spaces who may need a carer in with them etc have to wait behind a string of trans peeps.

I have a couplel of friends who struggle with GD and I realise they do not choose this and it is hard for them. But they are not the ones who are usually demanding the cis world has to make allowances for them. they just quietly get on with it. ditto my gay and lesbian friends. it's the PC Woke Trendies (usually priveleged and middle class, have you noticed this?) who are claiming to be traumatised if someone does not adress them by their prferred pronoun.

Leaving this thread now, because the whole trans thing is getting on my cis woman tits

"I propose that transgender students be allowed to use the restroom which corresponds to their gender identity, and allow students whose PARENTS who do not want them to use the same restroom as a trans student use the alternate facilities"

So she feels that:

1] her child knows her own mind enough to know she is female gender, and therefore wants to use the female facilities
2] she believes it is parents of other children who are influencing them into objecting, it can't possibly be the children themselves, which calls to question...if other children are influenced by their parents, hers could be too

That leaves my child (theoretically) who is older than hers who also knows her own mind, and wants to use the facilities that are specifically designed to be used by her, yet if [my child] objects to sharing, she should use "alternate facilities" which in her school would mean the boys room...so my daughter is the one who has to move aside to accommodate her child.

Wow.
What a surprise.
My biologically female child moves aside for her biologically male child.

Tell me again that women's rights are not being trampled on.

HeAteAFatball - we get it your a big hot

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It’s amazing how many people will stridently share their views on MN and claim to be informed but won’t watch a video that challenges them...

I think the videos are really important OP

Ah losingthewill, using slurs to shut down an open dialogue. Instead why not read and discuss the worries and issues heateafatball has brought up which are very real worries and issues that many women and girls have. But no, call someone a name and expect all dialogue to stop on your say so. I have no issues with anyone with genuine GD, I do have issues when my daughters are told to shut up and allow themselves to be ridden over just because the "woke" have said so.

YABU

Yes YABU to expect people to watch two videos which add up to almost an hour and then comment on them without telling us what your own viewpoint is.

This debate isn't about individiuals it's about changes to the law that will affect all women and girls.

The consultation on the GRA is open until 19 October. Excellent guidance from FairPlay For Women fairplayforwomen.com/here.