Flying on Holiday to Around Brexit Date. Would you?

[KennDodd]

I haven't booked yet. I have contacted my insurance company and travel agent (haven't asked airline) and asked if I would be covered if my holiday was disrupted/cancelled due to planes not flying or other chaos. They have both basically said they don't know. I assume EU consumer law would also no longer apply?

AIBU to write to fucking twat Dominic Raab and ask him to personally guarantee (with financial compensation from his own pocket) that I will not lose money and my holiday won't be disrupted?

No one will be going to Europe around the end of March or anytime after that!

Do they think it'll effect US UK flights much?! I need to get back to UK and my brothers getting married right around then!

I’ll be on a ship around Brexit. Hopefully we can still dock. But yes a deal will be done otherwise all those planes that connect through Heathrow (which there are a few) I guess won’t be landing either. Most of this that we see is political posturing. Behind the scenes there are plans, but no one is willing to actually show their cards. It’s the most public game of chicken in recent history

I wouldn’t think twice, I would definitely travel.

{Calm down. Life will go on after we leave the EU}
Yes but not necessarily as you know it.
Unless a lot of serious dealing is done, legally it will be 'no fly', probably anywhere.
It is not a case of the EU saying 'OK we will be nice and let you have a few weeks/months to think about it, it is not in their power to do it.
The minute your car insurance expires, you are on your own with nothing you are not covered. This is what WILL happen on 29 March unless a deal is done.
Currently all politicians are busy rearranging deckchairs to get the best view.

Unless a plan is put together, planes and ships that would be in transit at midnight on 29th would not leave, obviously.

The people who are negotiating (the people we democratally voted in to do such jobs) know much more than we do (it’s the nature of negotiations). We need to put a bit of trust in this process. We don’t know the particulars. Fingers crossed it will work out smoothly if not it will be bumpy for a while but things will level out. I’ve been fortunate enough to spend a few months on Europe at the moment and everyone I speak to is very level headed about Brexit. They all say things will carry on. They still want to sell wine to U.K. , they still want tourists etc. Life will carry on

I'm flying to Italy on 28th March for a long weekend.
Fingers crossed!

No way! DH and DS have British passports but I don't. I don't fancy getting stranded! (Although tbf I wouldn't mind being stranded on holiday as long as DS could stay with me)

We need to put a bit of trust in this process

And the people running it? I would like to imagine the civil servants are in charge but don't think they actually have much power to make real decisions, so that leaves the politicians and I haven't seen anything, not one thing, they have done that inspires confidence. We even have politicians ďriving this slagging off our own civil servants for being 'too negative' by which I think they mean realistic.

I've got holidays booked for April and May next year. What will be will be.

The ONLY thing that would 'guarantee' travel from a little before March 29 and afterwards is to revoke A50 and cancel Brexit.

Absolutely every other option other than that will have to be renegotiated. That is the legal position and without it travel cannot happen. Saying this, IF deals are done then flights etc MIGHT happen, as long as none of the details, of which there are a heck of a lot, are not forgotten.
Since practically all the politicians are happy to tell a lie of some sort or don't actually understand the legal issues I would be a bit hesitant.

According to The Guardian Britons made 65.7 million trips abroad in 2017. In the same year 36 million overseas visitors came to Britain. Obviously we don't know how long people stayed or how much they spent but its probably safe to say we spent more abroad than foreign visitors spent here.

In the end it will all come down to money (as most things do). Do you really think the Spanish government will want to ban 18 million british visitors from going there? Their economy is up the creek as it is they will not want to lose all of this revenue.

A deal will be made.

The consequence of air travel shutting down immediately on exit are monumentally serious for both the EU and us, not just for passenger travel. I think it's more likely that some temporary arrangement could be made, but given Mrs May's combination of ignorance, stupidity, stubborness and what seems to be a massive case of cognitive dissonance, not to mention her toddler tantrum last Friday, I wouldn't chance it.

I'm planning to fly out to visit my partner just before brexit - on purpose, so that if everything goes balls up at least I'll be with him. I'm worried that if I don't it could take months for agreements to be put in place. he's non-EU but obviously any plane would need to use EU airspace to get there 😔😔

I'd go and not give it a second thought.

Does anyone seriously believe that the governments of 28 states will allow a situation to arise where there would be thousands of Brits trapped in 27 countries, and thousands of Europeans trapped in the UK, all because we are leaving a club?

Yep!

As in yep I believe this could happen.

@Marriedwithchildren5

Why haven't the Eu told us to jog on, pay the bill and good luck then

They have. Repeatedly. The leaving date is 29th March, or earlier if the UK and EU can agree on the Withdrawal Agreement. It is the UK that has asked for the transition period. It is the UK that keeps proposing trade deals for after 29th March which are unacceptable to the EU - usually because they involve cherry-picking or because they would be illegal under EU or international law.

@Fairyliz

Do you really think the Spanish government will want to ban 18 million british visitors from going there?

The Spanish are not banning anyone - it is the UK that has decided to leave the EU, and in doing so invalidates the certifications and agreements that allow planes (and ferries and trains) to travel from the UK to the EU.

Stupid question maybe but will brexit affect my wedding in Cyprus later next year?

Lol at ‘No one will be going to Europe around the end of March or anytime after that’
😂😂

I think there is talk of some 'emergency' provision for a very basic service. May be something like EU carriers only are allowed as their planes and staff are covered in the rest of Europe, obviously so the only 'risky' bit would be UK airports. Only speculation mind you.

@Amanduh
So you would be happy to take a bus ride where the bus was clapped out and the driver was so legless that they can't stand up and has no insurance?
Unless ALL certifications are in place no you can't fly.

It's all very well saying "a deal will be made", "they won't let it happen like that" etc, but I suspect when people say that they have no understanding of how long contracts like these take to write, even once everyone has reached an agreement on what the rules will be. They can't just say "let's do it that way" and snap their fingers (even if they could say "let's do it that way" without breaking all the rules everyone has signed up to). There simply isn't time put a new system in place that will replace the insurance on planes, on components of planes, on airports, as well as the contracts between British airports and controllers and those at all the other European ones, and the licencing for pilots, ground staff and air traffic controllers. There seems to be very little understanding of the fact that when we are no longer subject to the current agreements and contracts put in place by the EU, and can no longer use them, we will have to write our own. That's what we were supposed to be doing over the last two years, but even two years was an optimistic timetable for all the areas this needs to happen in - medical research, fisheries policy, you name it. I am astonished by people's blind faith in "the system" to magically sort it out - it's like conspiracy theorists who find it easier to believe in an evil plan than face up to the fact that the world is not really being run by competent adults who know what they're doing.

What HMC2000 said. Basically, triggering Article 50 before the government even had a plan, before they had even come to the beginnings of a basic agreement on what would be involved, just hasn't left enough time to arrange everything.

We will not be booking flights just after 29th March.

I am not sure why people have such faith that airlines will magically still fly anyway just cos they want to go to Ibiza - Ryanair cancelled hundreds of booked flights over their own cockup of their pilots annual leave. The whole licensing system for the aviation industry is just a wee bit more complicated than "let's change the leave year to Jan-Dec instead of April-March" FFS! If one single airline making one small change has that effect, how lucky do you feel?