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To think that there is a time and place for constructive criticism?

30 replies

Marmelised · 22/09/2018 11:51

Once or twice a year I have to be away with work for a week. It’s very intensive, early mornings, late nights, demanding work and on duty the whole time. It can be rewarding but it leaves me with very little in the way of emotional or physical energy when I get home. After a night’s sleep I’m usually fine but I need that sleep.

Every time, within about 30 minutes of getting home, my husband brings up some character flaw or aspect of how I do things that could be improved. I have asked him to hold off on initiating these discussions for say 24 hours until I have caught up on sleep and have the mental energy to process his suggestions but he still does it every single time.

He can’t see what my problem is. He acknowledges that I’m upset but just says he doesn’t do it deliberately. He thinks I’m unreasonable for asking him to remember, just this once or twice a year, that I’d prefer not to have heavy discussions about how I could improve myself when I’m almost sleepwalking with exhaustion.

I do try to take criticism constructively at other times (not saying I succeed but I try). It’s just on these particular instances that a 24 hour delay would make all the difference.

He says ‘there’s never a good time’ for these conversations. My point is there are stupendously bad times and, once that has been pointed out, it might be a nice touch to be aware and try not to do it.

Is it so unreasonable to say, I know you don’t deliberately try to upset me but I think you could try harder to be on your guard about starting this specific type of conversation on the specific one or two times a year that we both know I am unable to cope with them?

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RibbonAurora · 22/09/2018 12:51

Oh dear, OP. Don't you know that timing is everything when you're going to pick a fight with lecture someone on their shortcomings? You want your victim to be at their lowest ebb mentally and physically, totally unprepared to formulate a good fuck you defense.

This would have happened to me precisely one time and then I'd hope DH would get the strong message I'd send that I'm an adult, not his child or employee, any repeats one of us would be leaving. He sounds like an arsehole to me.

Marmelised · 22/09/2018 13:35

To be fair I do manage to formulate a good defence and he is under no illusion that I find this behaviour acceptable. He just thinks I’m unreasonable for not accepting that he doesn’t mean to do it and is sorry that it upsets me. I think saying sorry is easy and he could try harder not to do it in the first place.

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CarolDanvers · 22/09/2018 13:41

He's pissed off because you've been away and out of control. He's strenuously asserting his authority and letting you know who's boss in case you get any funny ideas about independence having been away for a week. All his resentments at being left home, seething, and holding the fort must be transferred with immediacy.

He sounds like a right twat tbh.

Shoxfordian · 22/09/2018 13:44

He's showing you that he's the boss and although you've been away you're still not good enough for him. Ugh. This is horrible abusive shit behaviour

CarolDanvers · 22/09/2018 13:45

Note also that if it was him being the one going away, he'd most likely return and start stomping around and picking fault then too, letting you know The Boss is back.

So glad I am not married to my The Boss anymore.

LittleRedYoshi · 22/09/2018 13:54

He always gives you constructive criticism when you return from these trips, and you try to take it onboard when it happens "at other times"? Just how frequently does he criticise you? Sounds worrying to me...

Aquamarine1029 · 22/09/2018 14:28

So as soon as you get home from being away for work, he makes sure to knock you down a few pegs?? This is so insane I don't know where to start. Your husband is an abusive arsehole.

KurriKurri · 22/09/2018 14:43

Ah yes - as Carol says he's reasserting his authority. i was married to a 'boss' as well, endless fault finding, but done oh so nicely with a kindly head tilt and 'can I just say ....' His way of insidiously implying that i couldn;t possibly manage without him as I am too hopeless at everything.

I divorced him.

So nice not to have to live with that shit any more, and to just be allowed to be myself and not be constantly told I'm not good enough.

Blankspace4 · 22/09/2018 14:47

You are not being unreasonable. He is.

What type of “feedback” Angry is he giving you?

If I was in your shoes I’d leave the room as soon as he started on, take myself to bed with a good book or Netflix. Recharge your batteries. If he’s still got stuff he needs to discuss, he can do it in the morning.

Question - is he receptive when you give him ‘feedback’ too? (Seems funny to use that word in a non work sense but I can’t think of an alternate at this moment!!!)

Bloodybridget · 22/09/2018 14:51

Yuck, this sounds horrible at any time! Agree with above poster that leaving the room as soon as he starts would be a good idea. Or wrapping duct tape round his mouth.

zzzzz · 22/09/2018 14:53

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Zoomzoomzoomzoom0 · 22/09/2018 14:56

My ex used to do this. Also very specifically if I had had an evening off, or even left him with the kids for a couple of hours. I used to think of it as a sort of negative reinforcement, I was sort of subconsciously picking up the message "if you leave me to look after the kids, you will be punished"
Actually I never thought about the Boss reasserting his authority aspect. But that definitely rings true. I'm sorry, I agree with pp, your husband sounds like a total bully. As far as I am concerned, the only appropriate time for constructive criticism is when it has been asked for.

TooManyPaws · 22/09/2018 15:00

Funny how often emotional abuse is hidden under the guise of 'constructive criticism'. My father did this with me for over forty years.

Bet he doesn't accept the same, nor give you praise at any time.

NorfolksGiven · 22/09/2018 15:03

Don't go home the seventh night. Stay in a hotel and recharge in peace.

Marmelised · 22/09/2018 15:13

He does listen when I say things to him but I comment much less about his work or actions as I think that’s up to him.

It’s more things like when I’m under stress at work I can get quite clipped in the way I speak at home . I may mention work issues but I’m looking to vent not to be given solutions. I’m an introverted thinker so if I have an issue I’ve usually thought it through, assessed various courses of action, sought advice in appropriate corners etc before I mention it at home. So he’ll comment and I’ll often acknowledge but effectively dismiss his idea as I’d already thought about it, reasoned why it wouldn’t work and moved on. He, on the other hand, is an extroverted thinker so will speak out about issues, bouncing ideas off people including me.

We’ve been together several decades so know this about each other. I don’t offer much in way of comment on what he does at work as I reckon it’s his job and up to him. He struggles to overcome what must surely be the cognitive dissonance of knowing and taking pride in the fact that I am a highly competent person, respected in my field, with the impulse to offer unsolicited advice on how I could do things better.

I have explained time without number that the clue that I’m looking for input is when I say ‘what do you think?’. If I don’t say that, assume I’m just venting. Apparently I should be grateful that he cares. I’d be more grateful if he listened to me and let me vent.

I know I can be clipped, acerbic etc when under stress and that can be difficult to live with but I’m loyal, supportive, good hearted and I reckon after several decades it’s not too big an ask for him to understand that that’s how I am under pressure and it’s neither personal nor malicious but more of a survival mechanism..

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Marmelised · 22/09/2018 15:16

And that was venting....

He does give lots of praise. Always has done. He just struggles with accepting me in clipped, preoccupied mode.

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zzzzz · 22/09/2018 15:23

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Zoomzoomzoomzoom0 · 22/09/2018 15:26

I suppose it's the framing of it as giving praise, or criticism. What (I presume) you would like is support? And the type of support you want is just for him to listen? A system of praise v criticism just seems to me to be lacking in mutual respect, 2 people treating each other as equals. I think it's only possible (or safe) to acknowledge one's own weaknesses when one is in a mutually respectful, trusting relationship. Does he respect you? Do you feel safe allowing him to see your weakness? Or will he use your weakness against you when he wants to assert his power/dominance

LittleMissMarker · 22/09/2018 15:26

He can’t see what my problem is.

Your problem is that you are too patient and tolerant. Did you ask for his opinion on how you could improve? The place for "constructive criticism" in a marriage is when it is asked for. Nowhere else. Tell him that you will not listen to ANY any criticism from him, ever again, unless you ask for his opinion. And every time he starts, say "that's criticism" and leave the room.

Or if you prefer, tell him to FOTTFSOFAWHGTFOSM and then leave the room. Either way, if you are consistent he will get the message in the end. Even after decades people can break bad habits.

LittleMissMarker · 22/09/2018 15:33

He says ‘there’s never a good time’ for these conversations.

And he is 100 per cent right, so he needs to stop having them.

Unless it is something that directly affects him, in which case he needs to find a less combative way of telling you his needs.

Marmelised · 22/09/2018 15:41

zzzzz im not deliberately terse and dismissive. We're talking about whats gone on at work and I'm just unloading about my day as he does too. I listen to him and give suitably sympathetic responses. He breaks into what I'm saying to give me a solution. My mind is usually going a hundred miles an hour (at the times I appear terse) and I'll basically say, yes, thought of A but decided no because of b,c,d - and then move on with what I've been saying as I usually havent even reached the point of my story. He knows this is how my mind works, he knows there is no malice in it but apparently he can't help breaking into what I'm saying (but I should be able to help reacting to it as I do).

the solution from your question appears to be not to talk about anything that's bothering me when I'm at home with my husband - which I think would be a bit sad.

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Marmelised · 22/09/2018 15:43

Zoomzoomzoomzoom0 the type of support you want is just for him to listen

In a nutshell - yes!

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woolduvet · 22/09/2018 15:44

I'd raise it as a character flaw of his, preferably do this when he's just walked in.

zzzzz · 22/09/2018 15:46

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RibbonAurora · 22/09/2018 16:10

Ah, so it's not that he's stored up a whole bunch of complaints to give you about you during your week away but more you walk through the door being terse and snippy or, alternatively, venting about all the little frustrations of your week away and he's supposed to sit there and just suck it up, not comment or suggest anything because that's him being critical? I was wrong, you sound like more of an arsehole than he does.