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To distance myself from friend because of toxic behavior

55 replies

NameC123 · 20/09/2018 14:55

A friend of mine is obsessed with her fiancés ex, a perfectly harmless woman to which her fiancé has a DS(9). She uses every opportunity to be quite vile about her and more often than not (I and one other close friend) are her sounding board when she wants to have a moan. This is most days and she'll go a step further send photos of the woman ripping holes into how she looks or what she's wearing EG "look at how fat she looks" Sad

The lady hasn't done anything wrong, she's settled down with a partner and newborn and doesn't cause any problems for friend and her fiancé. Access to fiancés DS is amicable and he and friend have him every weekend and one night in the week, friend is close to fiancés DS and the mum has no problem with friend being a big part of her DS life. Friend is goady on social media about how she does so much for the child, then privately messages me and others in our friendship group saying how he'd be so much better off living with them full time.

Friend seems to be insecure in her relationship as she and fiancé have struggled to conceive, she goes above and beyond to paint a "happy families" picture on the internet then will ask me and other friends to comment smushy remarks on their pictures so "fiancés ex will see it" despite there being no evidence to suggest she's ever been jealous.

The pinnacle for me came yesterday when after another rant about her, friend said she hopes she dies whilst on holiday. I don't recognize what my friend has become and have never seen her act so cruel toward anyone else, I find her constant slagging off very draining and am struggling to just roll my eyes like I usually would. I don't like confrontation or wanted to get involved so haven't stuck up for the woman until now but have now sent a message saying she needs to grow up and stop being so cruel.

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PlinkPlink · 20/09/2018 16:06

Gosh well done OP!

It's hard but you need to be harsh sometimes. She needs to realise she's letting this consume her, to the point its pushing her friends away.

It's not a very pleasant side to our friend and if seems she needs some help to move on from these negative feelings.

I would love to make some suggestions but I'm not sure what they would be. It really sounds lile she doesn't want to move on from it?

youlethergo · 20/09/2018 16:09

That is awful.

I would give her a chance to repent and see the error of her ways.

SunburstsOrMarbleHalls · 20/09/2018 16:10

Your ex friend is coming across as a nasty, immature, jealous, insecure person. Is her fiance aware of her vile attitude to his sons mother? Does he know that she wishes his sons mother dead and wants to try for 100% custody?

I understand that she maybe very stressed at ttc but there is really no excuse to wish them awful things onto her partners ex with who doesn't appear to have warranted such vitriol at all.

To be that eaten up by envy and hate that she actually wishes death to his ex is very unhealthy. To obsess to the point of engineering social media fiction to create an embellished picture of her life is also a bit odd.

Well done for calling her out, her "justification" is equally as horrible. I would cut someone like that out of my life who behaviour as I don't like nasty hateful people.

WhateverHappenedToTheHeatwave · 20/09/2018 16:10

She has serious issues. If i was either parent to her dps child, i wouldn't want her near them. Who knows what spiteful nastiness she casually mentions near them?

Good on you for being honest with her. I would probably just text her back

'I don't recognise you at the moment. You have a really unhealthy obsession with this woman and are being cruel and unpleasant. You are my friend and i love you, I'm here for you when you need me but i won't listen to any more slandering and nastiness'.

What does her dp think of this? If it's all over social media then he must know surely?

Gemini69 · 20/09/2018 16:11

Does the Fiancee realise the venom your Friend carries for his Ex ? it might change their relationship irrevocably ... Flowers

Aquamarine1029 · 20/09/2018 16:19

My friendship with this woman would be over. It is very damaging to have such a vicious, toxic person in your life.

irunlikeahipoo · 20/09/2018 16:25

She is the sort of woman that as soon as she get her own kid she will push the step child out of the picture
Personally if your not going to be friends with her anymore I would have a quiet word with her fiancé and let him no what a right nutter he has got himself entangled with

Witchofzog · 20/09/2018 16:27

@Irunlikeahippo. You have it spot on

Belletower · 20/09/2018 16:29

Ask her why she thinks this is appropriate behaviour, what she hopes to achieve through her venom, and what her Fiance and DSS would think if they knew.

It might end the friendship but quite frankly I wouldn't wan't to be friends with someone who harbours so much hatred for someone else.

Tara336 · 20/09/2018 16:31

I have a similar issue with Exh new on off GF I have never clapped eyes on her and DD is an adult so we have no need for contact. Yet she stalks my FB and kept posting pictures of her and my exh which I asked for him not to allow as it was all still a bit fresh and made me uncomfortable (and our DD). Ended up deleting him so I didn’t have to see all that rubbish anymore and suddenly (apparently she stopped posting pics of them). He then dumped her for being needy and she continued to post pictures on FB tagging DD And other relatives as if they were still together it’s all very weird! So have blocked her. I just don’t get why some women are like this! I’m happy love my DP to bits and am really settled so all seems a bit nuts to me

irunlikeahipoo · 20/09/2018 16:33

Witchofzog. I’ve seen this exact scenario happen before slagging of the ex who is perfectly nice and reasonable
Then when this person had her own DC she slowly froze out the 2 other step children
First it was she didn’t want them around after she had given birth
Then it was they are to noisy boisterous so can’t come around every week
Then it’s no we can’t take them all on holiday, we need a break just us and my darling dc
Fast forward a few more years and the step kids no longer see there dad

This woman is a nutcase and she won’t stop at btiching at the ex partner she will start on the dc as soon as she has her own

Honestly I would seriously tell her boyfriend what an absolute birch she is and make sure you have the evidence screenshot

KurriKurri · 20/09/2018 16:33

Does her fiance know she makes these kinds of remarks about his ex ?
I can't imagine being with someone who wished the loss of a parent onto my child. She sounds completely mad and a really toxic influence in the poor child's life.

CoraPirbright · 20/09/2018 16:37

I like what Whatever wrote.

Or you could just say that famous Buddhist quote (or is it not Buddhist? Either way, useful and pertinent here)
“Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.”

BewareOfDragons · 20/09/2018 16:37

"Your baseless, cruel rants say more about you than her, and none of it good. I think I'm going to take a step back from our friendship for the time being."

Just send something like this. She sounds vile and jealous. Hopefully, her fiance will realise he doesn't want to marry and have children with someone who can treat the mother of his other child in this manner for no good reason. Disgusting.

CoraPirbright · 20/09/2018 16:39

It is rather the nuclear option but I would have a serious think about what irunlikeahippo has written. It would be so sad for what sounds like a very harmonious co-parenting situation to go wrong.

UpstartCrow · 20/09/2018 16:39

Does her fiance know?

Overgrownyard · 20/09/2018 16:43

Show the child's father, he needs to know what he's marrying and exposing his son to!

OracleofDelphi · 20/09/2018 16:50

God what a witch..... she sounds a bit unhinged. I would just reply saying that constantly berating this woman is difficult to hear as her DSS presumably loves his mum very much. I couldnt just leave it there with her trying to justify her being mean. I would just have to remind her that if she loves her fiance, and DSS then she has to accept the "baggage" of the ex finance and DSS mum and that it is very unkind of her to run his mum down. Every time she mentioned it again I would have to pull her up on it.... you wont be the only friend in this group feeling this way Im sure.

hamabr86 · 20/09/2018 16:54

I have a habit of sometime being overly sympathetic so I may be wrong but if she has always been pleasant before this it may the conception issues are maybe triggering some major mental health issues.

She may be struggling to cope with it, especially if in the meantime you have to care for children that you are being reminded you aren't a real parent for. She's probably looking for a target to distract her from pain, that's normally why people turn vicious isn't it?

Maybe you should recommend she goes to her GP and point out that this isn't like her / doesn't suit her and she could do with some help.

CassandraCross · 20/09/2018 16:57

You friend is trying to justify wishing unimaginable grief onto her step son?

I hope, but somehow doubt, that she is not saying these things in front of the step son.

I couldn't bear to be associated with someone who would say the type of things your 'friend' is saying, about anyone let alone the mother of her step son. You are right to ditch the friendship and, honestly, she needs to know why. I do think you should alert either her fiance or his ex to what is being said.

Buxtonstill · 20/09/2018 16:59

Life is too short to listen to someone being so nasty and unkind about others. Listening to them is exhausting, and drains me. I have been calculating and gradually distanced myself from anyone like this, as I realise that I am most probably being run down the minute I turn my back. Just distance yourself over time, and hide her rantings on fb. If she starts being nasty about her, just gaze off into the distance, and if she asks for your opinion, say 'oh, sorry, I wasn't concentrating, I really didn't want to listen to your tirade.'

MadameButterface · 20/09/2018 17:04

struggling to conceive doesn't turn people into dickheads overnight

nor do mental health problems

it's an insult to the many decent people who manage to cope with these things without being vile arsewipes about people to be all 'oh no maybe she needs a doctors appointment and a hug' about it

itswinetime · 20/09/2018 17:12

She wished the mother of a child she loves dead! There is no justification in my book whatever she thinks can she not think how devastated he DSS would be? And no apology just justification! I agree with Madamebutterface no excuses it's nasty vile behaviour!

LucyLoooo · 20/09/2018 17:16

I think you needed to say something, but the labels you've used probably won't help, and will most likely make her defensive. Therefore she is unlikely to take your views on board.

It may be better to say that you notice she seems quite angry and bitter a lot of the time, and are is there anything that is making her unhappy, and causing her to behave out of character?

She is probably going to come back to you in an attacking way, so you may need to diffuse it by coming from a place of apparent concern.

You could give it time and see how she responds. Maybe there is stuff going on that you are not aware of. If her behaviour does not change at all, then personally I would distance myself as she has shown she has a toxic streak and it is probably quite draining to be around. I would not close that door definitely. If in future it comes to light that there was something bit going on (e.g. her partner is abusive, etc), you could still be there as a friend.

bershetmelon · 20/09/2018 17:21

I'd think seriously about what @irunlikeahipoo said, similar happened to me and db as children (even down to her wanting to adopt us) even now my 'd'sm tries to justify it and the damage it caused to our and our df relationship.

The dss is half his dm she will see her in him. He will always be a reminder of her fiancés past and once she has her own dc he will inevitably be pushed aside.

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