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AIBU to ask the school for help with these bully parents?

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Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 11:30

My DS started a new primary school in the middle of a school year last year and we were concerned that he would find it hard to make friends because he was coming in late. However, he quickly formed a friendship with another child who also seemed to be on his own. As the friendship has developed, my husband and I have gotten to know the parents and, although we thought they were quite strange, we just dismissed a lot of their odd behaviour and parenting style as different horses for different courses. However, as time has gone on, and we know more about them, we can see that they are just unpleasant people. They regularly say cruel and uninformed things about the other children in the class and their child also repeats nasty things which they have said about my DS to my child and this is affecting his self confidence. Recently, my DS has started to form new friendships in the class, which we were relieved about, but the parents of the original friend are trying to sabotage these new friendships out of spite and I guess because they are concerned that their child will be on their own again. They are doing this by organising parties and play dates with the new friends and not inviting my DS. Of course, the kids discuss the events at school (and we live in a small village where everyone pretty much knows each other and what is going on) and my DS is very upset to have not been included. I think they are also telling the other parents that my DS is a bad influence and badly behaved, which he is not. The school also confirm that he is kind and thoughtful and well-behaved. Their child has a very strict and controlled upbringing in terms of how he is disciplined and what he is and isn’t allowed to do and I have even had to ask the parents not to scold my child for things that they perceive he is doing wrong and which I think is just the normal behaviour of a five year old. They also keep saying things like Father Christmas/the tooth fairy etc don’t exist in front of my child and I feel really angry about this. In conclusion, the parents of this child seem to have embarked upon an organised attempt to push my child out of his friendship group and damage his confidence. My husband wants to get them round and confront them about this, but knowing these parents, I think it will make them worse and the trouble will escalate. I have tried to limit the time my child spends with their child, but they like spending time together and I don’t actually mind the child, although sometimes he does exhibit some of his parents’ nasty traits. I’m wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and has any advice on how to handle this situation. Should I approach the school for help or is this a private issue between us?

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PorkFlute · 20/09/2018 11:43

I’d just rise above it and make arrangements with his other friends. Sounds like a good thing they aren’t inviting your ds round since they sound unhinged. Te other parents will find out what they are like soon enough.

Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 11:48

Thanks PorkFlute. I’m hoping that that is the case. I am sure that the other parents will see what they are like, but I am worried that my child will be sidelined in the meantime. There are some other lovely kids in the class and I really want him to make connections with them.

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LoveAGoodChat · 20/09/2018 11:50

Simple answer to this issue, don't socialise (or have anything g to do with these parents )...let your son continue to make friends with others, and invite those new friends for play dates ..he can keep on civil terms with the other boy with the awful parents but he doesn't have to be best friends with him or have him as his only friend...he can slowly move away from him and into nicer friendship groups...

Also don't worry so much about those awful parents trying to sabotage your son's friendships with the other boys...if they are as awful as you say they are then pretty soon those other boys and their parents will be gearing the awful parents saying bad things about the other kids and then about themselves...like your own son did..

LoveAGoodChat · 20/09/2018 11:51

*hearing...not gearing

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 20/09/2018 11:52

I work in a school in a pastoral/safeguarding role. I appreciate that the situation must be very frustrating but it is absolutely not appropriate to involve the school in your disagreement with these parents. This is a dispute between adults, the schools job is to educate the children not to mediate between parents, however unpleasant they may be.

I would encourage other friendships as Pork suggests. Invite other children round for tea/play dates. Maybe find out of there are any afterschool clubs or activities your DS can get involved in where he might have the opportunity to make new friends.

Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 11:55

Thanks LoveaGoodChat. I tried that approach, but my DS likes the child of the mean parents a lot and so whenever I organise a play date with other kids and their parents, the other child finds out about it and I end up with one of the mean parents round at my house or wherever the play date is. I have tried several times to organise these play dates and they always find out about it. I also feel bad excluding their child because he has done nothing wrong, he just happens to have parents who I would classify as bullies.

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DowntonCrabby · 20/09/2018 11:58

I’d totally disengage with the parents, still support your child’s friendship with the child but mainly focus on nurturing his new friendships.
I’d also be stressing to your son that he won’t be invited to/ included in everything, that’s life and an important lesson to learn. I’d keep things very breezy re your feelings on the other parents around your son too.

Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 11:58

It also feels a bit suffocationg because they also seem to find out about which clubs I am signing my DS up for and they sign their child up too, so that my child doesn’t have the chance to build any other relationships. I can never seem to be on my own with any of the other parents and their kids.

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ShalomJackie · 20/09/2018 11:58

I think you need to take a firmer stance. Organise the play dates at your home and if the other parents turn up with their child do not let them in. Say it is inconvenient at the time and that you will invite their child another time. Just keep doing this.

Mention to the school there may be an issue between the two children so they can keep an eye on it there. They won't tell parents off though!

Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 12:01

Thanks DowntonCrabby. Good advice. My DS doesn’t know anything about how we feel about the parents. Although we have had to have conversations around the inappropriate stuff they have told him about Christmas, religion etc.

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DowntonCrabby · 20/09/2018 12:06

God they sound batshit! Turning up at your door uninvited when you have others round is beyond rude. I’d maybe try and just have the kids for a while and keep any friendships with their parents seperate from the play date.
Do other parents find them as strange/intrusive?

DowntonCrabby · 20/09/2018 12:08

*Separate!!

ScattyCharly · 20/09/2018 12:08

I’d be glad your ds is getting away from these strange parents.

No, don’t approach the school or the parents. It won’t help and it could make things worse. The school can’t do anything anyway.

Ignore it all.

MinaPaws · 20/09/2018 12:09

Just do your best to widen his social circle and your own. Invite other classmates back after school a couple of times a week. Look into after school sports, Cubs, martial arts (very good for self confidence) music and drama.
With Christmas/ToothFairy etc, just say: some people have Christmas and tooth fairies and some don't. We do. We like them. Leave it there.

Don't intervene unless they actively bully your child or their own son.

HypoCali · 20/09/2018 12:13

I wouldn’t bother getting the school involved at this stage but agree they sound like pricks and something needs to change.

I would be making sure my child was never around the parents without you present, and minimise that too. If they show up unannounced at your house you don’t have to let them in.

I would also be making all the other parents very aware of their behaviour. Sooner or later everyone will know they are bullies and they will hold no power to influence your son’s other relationships.

Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 12:15

DowntonCrabby we did wonder when we moved here why this child didnt seem to have any friends when all of the others did and the parents told me that they deliberately don’t have anything to do with any of the other parents at the school. It is only since they have started to perceive my child as a threat that they have turned into social butterflies and are turning up everywhere, including all of the clubs we attend after school. If I am chatting with one of my DS’s friends parents in the yard, they will come up and interrupt and take over the conversation.

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HypoCali · 20/09/2018 12:15

I wouldn’t be actively encouraging a friendship with their son either, he will no doubt turn into a bully like his parents.

cestlavielife · 20/09/2018 12:23

To be fair it is true that father C and tooth fairy do not exist . they are social constructs... but laugh it off. Tell ds Some believe some don't.

You have to deal with the other adults as you see fit. Rise above it. Invite who you want to your house.

Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 12:28

Cestlavielife, I agree that they are social constructs, but most of the kids in the class are so excited about these and I just think they normally find out a bit later about their non-existence from an older child etc, rather than from a spiteful parent.

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GreenTulips · 20/09/2018 12:30

I think you need to rise above it and make connections with the other parents

Arrange one child to visit at a time.

If a parent turns up say it's non of your business who I invite to my home. Don't engage further.

If you see this behaviour others will too.

Short term pain for long term gain.

HypoCali · 20/09/2018 12:30

I’d be furious if someone ruined Father Christmas for my DC, I certainly wouldn’t be “laughing it off”. They have absolutely no right to say anything like that to your son.

TheLastSaola · 20/09/2018 12:37

I quick word with your DS’s teacher saying that he’s been trying to make new friends but is finding that jealousy from his first friend is making it hard, and could they keep an eye on the situation, is reasonable.

Bringing up the parents or your opinions of them just sounds childish and petty imo, even if that is the root cause.

Ironfloor269 · 20/09/2018 12:44

How do play dates work in your area? Over here, I agree on a date with DD's friend's parent, bring DD and friend home after school, they play and have tea, parent picks up friend.

It's almost always one friend (unless they are twins and DD is friends with both of them). And the parent never stays. They might stop for a cup of tea when they come to pick up though.

How do these parents find out every time you organise a play date? Does your son tell his friend? If so, be vague and don't tell him about the play date until the last possible minute.

Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 12:47

HypoCali I agree. This is such a fleeting and magical time for them when they believe in those things. I don’t know why anyone would take that away from them. Life gets harder for them soon enough and this is the part where they should have these things preserved for as long as possible imo.

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Mrtumblemustdie · 20/09/2018 12:51

Ironfloor269 I’ve been arranging the play dates with just one of the other parents at a time (in order not to appear too exclusive), but even if I don’t tell my DS about the play date until the actual day, he or the other child invited to the play date speak about it at school and then the child with the problem parents gets upset that they aren’t involved. This is where I cave in because I feel like I am punishing a five year old, rather than their parents and this is the last thing I want to do. It isn’t his fault that his parents behave in this way.

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