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...Is this too pushy? (Sports teams)

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IrisAnon · 18/09/2018 20:06

DS has started his new school and all going well. It's rugby season, and he has always hated rugby (dislikes pain Smile ) but is pretty competent and has lots of contact/ match experience from his old school. To be very clear, I don't think he will ever be A team material, so I don't feel I'm being pushy like 'that'.
It's very clear that lots of the boys haven't even played before, and he's been finding the training a bit boring as it is 'how to hold a rugby ball', but is determined to stick with it. He missed pre-season training selection as we were away on holiday, booked before we knew. I checked with the coach and he said it was constant assessment and match play.
So, after the school's first match (randomly allocated teams) where he got a couple of good runs and drew some comments, I felt he would probably make the C/D team.
As it happens, he has been left unallocated (not even on a team), and some of the boys who haven't ever played (some literally didn't even know which way to pass the ball) are above him in teams.

I've sent a query to head coach to ask if he can explain why this is, but I'm also not wanting to be a PITA pushy new parent. At which point do you become 'too pushy'? Would you have said something?
I just think it's all a bit shit.

OP posts:
JacquesHammer · 20/09/2018 18:17

Because very few schools play League and were coming to the end of the League season

I always find it useful to differentiate/. They’re basically two different sports. League is popular in schools in Yorkshire. We also don’t stop training or playing in the off season.

paperbattles · 20/09/2018 18:18

@JacquesHammer do give us insight into how pushy parents really are - how many emails from parents do you get? what is your reaction - ignore or keep them happy? how pushy does it get? do you think some coaches favour some children due to parents?

Numbkinnuts · 20/09/2018 18:20

Yes I know they are two different sports. They have two separate Governing Bodies. But rugby Union is bigger in schools throughout England.

I watch both codes and my sons play both. I actually prefer watching League. Smile

JacquesHammer · 20/09/2018 18:27

@paperbattles

I get more contact from engaged parents than truly pushy. I’m always happy to respond to those asking for pointers to help their kids practice at home etc.

I probably get on average one a year who is pushy. It’s usually - and unfortunately - people who over estimate their kid’s ability. That isn’t to say their child is no good, but they’re not all-star. I find parents whose kids miss training regularly but want them to still make the team the worst.

I think you’ve got to be willing to acknowledge as a coach you won’t please everyone. I don’t have favourites because of who the children are, I do however have kids with brilliant attitudes, never mess about and they’re usually first on my team sheet if available to acknowledge their commitment.

I categorically will not put a child in a team for any other reason than they deserve it.

Logits · 20/09/2018 18:28

Because very few schools play League and were coming to the end of the League season.

What has the end of League season got to do with your (wrong) assertion that 'Children's rugby is very structured and they don't play the full game with 14 aside until early teens.?'

You won't burst into flames if you admit you'd been mistaken/gotten it wrong, you know...

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 20/09/2018 18:28

he dislikes pain (and assuming he is playing contact), he is unlikely to be fully committing to tackling which can be dangerous both for him, and the child he tackles

Yes this. I've seen grown men dropped/or not get a place in a rugby team for dangerous tackles. I've also seen the consequences of those type of tackles and it's not pretty.

JacquesHammer · 20/09/2018 18:29

I also really push a culture of positive - so no complaining if your team mate makes an error. This extends to the parents too.

I’m happy for parents to watch training but it gets really difficult if they try and “help” or make comments.

Numbkinnuts · 20/09/2018 18:33

Logits

I am not wrong when talking about the rules of play for children in Rugby Union

It is designed to be a transition to the full 15 aside game as we see on TV

League is different as has been pointed out.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 20/09/2018 18:33

They’re basically two different sports

Some would argue that league is a sport....

(Sorry @JacquesHammer GrinWink)

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 20/09/2018 18:33

Isn't a sport even. Shit.

paperbattles · 20/09/2018 18:35

Thanks @JacquesHammer that's interesting to know that attitude, ie no messing about is so important; and that parents are more engaged than pushy. It's amazing what parents say on the sidelines!

JacquesHammer · 20/09/2018 18:36

Isn't a sport even. Shit

I had a friend who argued that. Persuaded him to try league. He lasted 27 minutes Grin We still refer to that time during a match as “end of Stu o’clock”.

In all seriousness I find the ridiculous rivalry tiresome.

But having played both and coached both, I would assert league is way, way more demanding.

nutellanom · 20/09/2018 19:00

How old is he? When I was at school (did lots of sports) it would have been up to me to ask the teacher about playing for the team etc. My parents would never have got involved!

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 20/09/2018 19:08

Sorry jacqueshammer I was actually just taking the piss - it's football that isn't actually a sport GrinGrin

Logits · 20/09/2018 19:13

@Numbkinnuts

Yes Union. Because very few schools play League and we're coming to the end of the League season.

What has the end of League season got to do with the age guidelines?

Wouldn't a better response have been 'I wasn't aware that League had different rules, thanks for pointing it out' or 'You're right, I should have specified that I was talking about Union'

yikesanotherbooboo · 20/09/2018 19:20

I think it is way too early in the school year to be second guessing the teacher. It's true that they don't always get it right but DS has been in his new school for a couple of weeks, missed preseason training and the sports master has a yearful of new boys to assess and manage.
I understand this situation as one of my children was in a senior school where the sports provision didn't really meet the boys needs .
You are being pushy, tell DS to try his hardest if he wants team sport and leave it for a good few weeks.

369thegoosedrankwine · 20/09/2018 19:27

The first rule of Rugby is no child should be forced to play. I suspect the coach is following this ethos.

Numbkinnuts · 20/09/2018 19:27

Wouldn't a better response have been 'I wasn't aware that League had different rules, thanks for pointing it out' or 'You're right, I should have specified that I was talking about Union'

Wow !

Nothing to do with the other poster then

I pointed out Union when I was told I was wrong ( an assumption that I was as talking about League 🤔)

I also point out which is correct that most schools in England play Union and as the Union season has just started and the League season is about to finish is the OP was talking about Union in her post.

Not quite sure what your beef is with me but best for both of us to leave it there.

Lemontart25 · 20/09/2018 19:31

Well in all honesty I think you have already entered "pushy mode". Awful trait in parents but from your updates it doesn't seem that you are really bothered or prepared to fall back. Let your son handle it himself unless he specifically asks for your involvement.

I hate seeing parents storming after the coach at the end (or worse mid practice/game) to 'have a word in their ear'. Grow up, get a hobby yourself, you had your time at school now let your kids make their own way.

JacquesHammer · 20/09/2018 19:55

I pointed out Union when I was told I was wrong ( an assumption that I was as talking about League 🤔)

No. But staying “rugby” WAS incorrect as it’s too catch all for the games - as you rightly said they have different ways of doing things. Hence why I said I like to differentiate.

I agree with you about League being better to watch for sure Smile

JacquesHammer · 20/09/2018 20:06

I will admit freely I’m very anal about the Union vs League thing. I did my dissertation on it Grin

Northernparent68 · 20/09/2018 20:27

Op, does the school offer alternative sports ?

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