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Is food poverty real?

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Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 20:00

Provocative title, sorry I know food poverty is real. I'm just not convinced about the extent of it.

I've cooked half a packet of dried chickpeas 50p which we eat fried with garlic, salt and olive oil. They're also delicious with pasta or with potatoes as a curry. Braised Puy lentils (60p) cooked with onions, celery and the bendy carrots left in the fridge.

And to really push the boat out an aubergine stew with onions and tomatoes. The 3 big aubergines cost £1.50. Tomatoes and parsley came from the garden.

I spent an hour cooking today including making a loaf of bread. With some rice or couscous, and some salad, what I've made will feed us for 4 nights.

We have apples too, foraged at the weekend. The windfall ones I cut the bad off and stewed them, the rest are good for eating. There are also elderberries, plums and a few late blackberries dotted around the margins of the city for anyone who can be bothered to go out and pick them.

I know not everyone has a garden but a very small space can be used to grow quite a lot. In pots I grew enough tomatoes, green beans and lettuce to feed us all summer. If I was less lazy or more skint, I'd also seed save, to ensure I can grow them for free next year. Many allotment holders would totally give up some produce in exchange for labour too.

So I guess I'm wondering if the increasing number of people who are in financial dire staits and find themselves needing to use food banks are in fact suffering from a lack of food education as much as lack of money? Our grandparents in the same situation would have cultivated every bit of earth with home grown vegetables and I'm sure would have been more resourceful and more capable of making do on very little.

Obviously there are very vulnerable people without the means to cook or to grow but surely not everyone experiencing 'food poverty' is in this category? I often wonder why at food banks they don't ask if recipients have access to a bit of ground (or a few pots) and give them seeds? Pulses and in season veggies are incredibly cheap and with a few quid you can feed your family really well if you know how to cook them. It's far better to cook a simple vegetable curry or dhal and eat it all week than have to exist on the pot noodles, tinned sludge, sugary cereals and biscuits that they're giving out.

Times are going to get MUCH tougher. Climate change and environmental destruction will soon jeopardise our food security and food banks will not be able to help everyone.

So AIBU? As a society are we actually getting poorer and hungrier or have we just raised a couple of generations lacking general resourcefulness, cooking skills and horticultural know how? Times are tough for increasing numbers but I can't help feeling that many of these people just don't have a clue how to help themselves.

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Benjaminbuttonschild · 18/09/2018 21:21

Fml, what have I just read??? Is this not the most pretentious thread ever???

Who the actual F has time to 'bake bread' for an hour a day? Most of have a side gig in the way called, um, work!

And if you're genuinely impoverished and don't have the time, resources, knowledge, energy to grow your own lentils then yes growing your own shit and baking your own bread would be the last thing on your mind.

I've seen it all now

ivykaty44 · 18/09/2018 21:22

The biggest problem with food, fuel & other poverty is that like the OP the government also have no idea how the poor survive

SilverHairedCat · 18/09/2018 21:22

I know they also ask for donations of tampons, pads, toiletries - male and female, cartons of fruit juice, anything in tins, UHT milk etc.

ListenLinda · 18/09/2018 21:23

What fucking good are seeds when your children are starving now and you don’t even have pence!

Grimbles · 18/09/2018 21:24

But isn't everyone below a certain income in the UK entitled to child benefit? I checked online, £20 a week is certainly not a fortune, but I am pretty sure it is enough to ensure that the said child does not starve. I lived on £20 / week for the total weekly shop (student days) not so long ago.

Did you manage to get your shoes, clothing and other essentials from your £20 a week as well?

shutupandgotosleep · 18/09/2018 21:25

Every year there is a thread like this with some misguided O.P who can't understand why 'the poor' can't go foraging for food. Iirc last year it was why can't people go foraging for blackberries.

Loads of fruit for foraging on the 15th floor of a high rise tower block

Smellybean · 18/09/2018 21:26

The biggest problem with food, fuel & other poverty is that like the OP the government also have no idea how the poor survive

Totally agree

cookiemon666 · 18/09/2018 21:26

I'm a single working parent of 4 kids. We regularly experience food poverty. Yes I can cook, but sometimes my £50 a week food budget is reduced because life happens. On those weeks I feed us on £20!!
I have used the food bank on more than 1 occasion.

By the time I have worked 12 hour shifts, and bank twilight shifts I certainly don't have the energy to cook chuffing lentils!!

silvercuckoo · 18/09/2018 21:27

Did you manage to get your shoes, clothing and other essentials from your £20 a week as well?
No, it was another £10 on top.

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Courtney555 · 18/09/2018 21:27

Thank you for the suggestions. Googling where nearest food bank is.

BasicUsername · 18/09/2018 21:28

Food poverty is VERY real.

I know the Daily Fail et al show people with ten kids, living the life of riley on benefits, but that just isn't reality.

PPs have already explained about fuel poverty, and the lack of financial means to have have a "stock cupboard" when on benefits, or low income. In addition, you need to consider time poverty. Many people work multiple jobs whilst raising children, just to pay the bills, and have very little left over to show for their efforts.

However, YANBU to question education in this area. Nutritional info and cooking skills are sadly lacking for a lot of people. This is partly down to parents being too busy working to teach their children, and partly down to schools teaching nonsense. (When I was in high school, I signed up to take food tech, as I was interested in cooking and baking. We were taught the cook chill process for ready meals, we weren't taught much in terms of actual cooking).

The problem is that there is no simple answer. Lentils solve fuck all.

SunnySkiesSleepsintheMorning · 18/09/2018 21:29

I work with very vulnerable people, they all have disabilities. I often meet people who are in emergency accommodation. They share cooking facilities with strangers. They might have been sanctioned by the Job Centre or had benefits stopped because they didn’t understand the importance of getting the forms back in time. Therefore, they do not have the minimum income. Sometimes they go without any income at all. Finally, they are referred for our support. I shan’t be telling them to make fucking stew. Please don’t anyone tell me these people are in the minority either. They are but there are enough of them to prove it’s a disgrace. There are so so many disabled and ill people who end up with very little or no income due to benefit errors or simply not being able to read letters, perhaps they are blind. Many people don’t have anyone, not even a kindly neighbour to read a letter saying “this form needs to be back by X or Y benefits will stop”.

CognitiveDissonance · 18/09/2018 21:29

But isn't everyone below a certain income in the UK entitled to child benefit? I checked online, £20 a week is certainly not a fortune, but I am pretty sure it is enough to ensure that the said child does not starve. I lived on £20 / week for the total weekly shop (student days) not so long ago.

With all due respect, you clearly either haven't rtft or understood anything that's been said. Can you feed a child on £20 a week? Absolutely.
Can you feed, replace the clothes they grow out of, the shoes that wear out, the school supplies that they need, pay rent, pay for the gas that's needed to heat the home they live in, pay for the electric so that there's light in said home, pay for the fuel to cook the food? All on £80 a month? What if there are other variables like unemployment? Illness? It gets tighter and tighter and tighter. Child benefit is not just some bonus top from the government in far too many cases.

Bimgy85 · 18/09/2018 21:30

I do not feel sorry for someone in poverty that is fit for work/college and just decides not to. Surely I am not the only one there?

Obviously it's completely different if it's a working parent(S) and just not making enough money for bills, food, living costs etc

But we cannot be expected to feel sorry/help somebody that's fit to work and decides not to, therefore is in 'poverty' because of their own choices

Phineyj · 18/09/2018 21:31

We make our own yoghurt and bread (using machines) and grow a bit of fruit and veg. It takes ages and costs quite a bit. There's no way it's cheaper when you take into account time and ingredients. We're doing it to reduce plastics and so DD can see where some food comes from and not to save money.

I imagine even having the time to think strategically about this sort of thing is a luxury in certain situations, and then there's whether you've got the skills/space/equipment.

We won't solve these problems with chickpeas, because they're not essentially food problems - the food is a symptom of the socioeconomic problem.

I'm sure people have said upthread as well that when times are hard you want to eat nice tasty stuff. Not chickpeas.

Aintnothingbutaheartache · 18/09/2018 21:31

Fuck, that’s my eyes well and truly opened

huggybear · 18/09/2018 21:32

And what if they date to want a life other than lentils?

Grimbles · 18/09/2018 21:32

There you go. £20 a week child benefit doesn't cover everything a child may need. School shoes, school uniforms including mandatory jumpers with logo, school pe kit, normal clothes that are outgrown or wear out within a few months. Working out how many pairs of supermarket trousers do you get so you don't need to be constantly washing and costing more money on the leccy and powder.

Factor those costs into the £20 a week too.

CognitiveDissonance · 18/09/2018 21:32

But we cannot be expected to feel sorry/help somebody that's fit to work and decides not to, therefore is in 'poverty' because of their own choices

This was never the original premise of the thread. You just decided to throw that in their because it fits your twisted idea of what "Benefit Britain" is all about. Shameful.

UpstartCrow · 18/09/2018 21:34

What a nasty, ignorant thread.

To grow veg you need stability from one year to the next. In days gone by people were more likely to have that in the form of a council house, or allotment.

It also helps if your neighbours don't keep cats, and aren't likely to vandalise or steal the contents of your garden.

notwhitedee · 18/09/2018 21:35

Nc for this but I'm on benefits I have two children I do not work at the moment however this post has really hit home. A few months ago whilst making the transition to benefits from working I was using food banks. My electric is a key meter and it was empty so I had to ask my supplier for a emergency credit of £15 paying back £3 a week. I had to phone my council and take proof of my bank statements showing I had no money to receive a voucher for my local supermarket , to tide me over . this was really good however a one off. When that food ran out it was food banks , we didn't even have a £1 coin to our name or anything to sell. Being on benefits is hard it is not as easy as it looks, tv shows like benefits street seem to glamourise this lifestyle but it's shit when you see people smoking and drinking it is usually because they have chose that over food and paying bills.
You don't have many choices on things to buy on benefits as it has to last you especially once you've used your food bank parcel up there is no other help out there. Things like lentils and making soups we didn't even have electric one night to turn the microwave on. However now the benefits have started things are easier it has changed me a lot I go to Sainsbury's or Tesco around 5pm and can get a kilo of mince or chicken breast for around £1-2. And that will do 4 meals for me. Sauces are 55p, I also get milk tokens of £24.80 a month so all our milk and veg and fruit is covered. It's not as easy life but it's do able if you have the right plan. Unfortunately some people don't and they do not get the help they need to budget sorry this is so long jus wanted to give a general idea. If anyone wants to ask me anything feel free

Brokenmyankleandfoot · 18/09/2018 21:35

10years ago almost exactly I had nothing. Absolutely nothing and no one to ask for help.

Where does the money come from for saucepans? Spatulas? Knives and forks and spoons and crockery?

Have you worked out how expensive it is to set up a storecupboard?

I went to uni to get qualifications for a road out for me and my kids. I was beyond skint. I worked part time as well as going to uni full time.

I couldn’t afford a car to get to s8ewhere t9 forage.

I couldn’t afford to heat the water to wash up eleventy million dishes and I couldn’t afford to cook some artisanal stew of bendy chickpeas and goats farts that my kids might not eat.

I obsessively stock up food now and get anxious if my fridge and cupboards aren’t groaning. And I give to food bank every week.

Brokenmyankleandfoot · 18/09/2018 21:36

No fucking way could I make bread cheaper than the 20p Tesco white pap.

ivykaty44 · 18/09/2018 21:37

You do realise that 50% of benefit claims are from people over 65

They maybe sofa surfing as they are homeless, or they are home all day and try and stay warm in the winter - there is a winter heating allowance if £140 for those on Liw income, they may collect wood to burn