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Is food poverty real?

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Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 20:00

Provocative title, sorry I know food poverty is real. I'm just not convinced about the extent of it.

I've cooked half a packet of dried chickpeas 50p which we eat fried with garlic, salt and olive oil. They're also delicious with pasta or with potatoes as a curry. Braised Puy lentils (60p) cooked with onions, celery and the bendy carrots left in the fridge.

And to really push the boat out an aubergine stew with onions and tomatoes. The 3 big aubergines cost £1.50. Tomatoes and parsley came from the garden.

I spent an hour cooking today including making a loaf of bread. With some rice or couscous, and some salad, what I've made will feed us for 4 nights.

We have apples too, foraged at the weekend. The windfall ones I cut the bad off and stewed them, the rest are good for eating. There are also elderberries, plums and a few late blackberries dotted around the margins of the city for anyone who can be bothered to go out and pick them.

I know not everyone has a garden but a very small space can be used to grow quite a lot. In pots I grew enough tomatoes, green beans and lettuce to feed us all summer. If I was less lazy or more skint, I'd also seed save, to ensure I can grow them for free next year. Many allotment holders would totally give up some produce in exchange for labour too.

So I guess I'm wondering if the increasing number of people who are in financial dire staits and find themselves needing to use food banks are in fact suffering from a lack of food education as much as lack of money? Our grandparents in the same situation would have cultivated every bit of earth with home grown vegetables and I'm sure would have been more resourceful and more capable of making do on very little.

Obviously there are very vulnerable people without the means to cook or to grow but surely not everyone experiencing 'food poverty' is in this category? I often wonder why at food banks they don't ask if recipients have access to a bit of ground (or a few pots) and give them seeds? Pulses and in season veggies are incredibly cheap and with a few quid you can feed your family really well if you know how to cook them. It's far better to cook a simple vegetable curry or dhal and eat it all week than have to exist on the pot noodles, tinned sludge, sugary cereals and biscuits that they're giving out.

Times are going to get MUCH tougher. Climate change and environmental destruction will soon jeopardise our food security and food banks will not be able to help everyone.

So AIBU? As a society are we actually getting poorer and hungrier or have we just raised a couple of generations lacking general resourcefulness, cooking skills and horticultural know how? Times are tough for increasing numbers but I can't help feeling that many of these people just don't have a clue how to help themselves.

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Benjaminbuttonschild · 18/09/2018 23:37

Smellybean and darkest night kind of prove my point.

It's shit that we live in a society where billionaires and millionaires can avoid/evade tax whilst people who genuinely need help get shat on. Caring for a disabled person is a full time job in itself. £64 per week??? Bet MPs and the elite would never be able to manage on that. And they seem it fit to live on. The whole thing stinks!

Luscinia · 18/09/2018 23:39

Whilst I am writing, I would suggest people in poverty are generally probably very good cooks. They manage to feed themselves and their families with very little money and a lot of conjuring tricks.

Benjaminbuttonschild · 18/09/2018 23:39

Why don't you get that, Hiphopfrog?

Hiphopfrog is high on her own herbs, that why

HelenaDove · 18/09/2018 23:40

Hiphopfrog Tue 18-Sep-18 22:25:08
@glintandglide there lies part of the problem I guess. This kind of thing is the food that the poor people of Italy, India and the Middle East have traditionally eaten.

My DM is Italian and has been in the UK since 1960 She grew up in poverty in post war Italy and she doesnt come out with this crap.

She is absolutely disgusted with the fact that disabled children are being denied benefits and/or are jumping through hoops to get them.

Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 23:42

@Luscinia I'm really sorry to hear that you've been through so much. In your blackest and hungriest moment what would have helped?

Obviously people need enough money but no one has a magic wand to fix our neoliberal economic system.

Would you have gone to something like this? www.wellspringhlc.org.uk/community-garden/

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daffodillament · 18/09/2018 23:42

Hiphopfrog is high on her own herbs, that why Grin Joking aside..my god, there are some nasty bastards on this thread !

Dorkdiary · 18/09/2018 23:43

Hiphopfrog do you realise for many people going to food banks they have no electricity either ? Food banks near us have started asking for food which doesn't need to be cooked for this reason. Pulses and beans would be no good.

FlyingMonkeys · 18/09/2018 23:44

You do realise that most of our grandparents didn't clap eyes on a banana or chick peas or aubergines? Suet, bread and dripping were a massive staple (well renowned for their nutritional value). Meat was a luxury, an egg was a highly prized commodity. Allotments in pit villages were highly utilised because they had very little else to eat. However I'm sure the 'joy' of adding extra hours and back breaking labour to a day that already consisted of that was highly prized.

Benjaminbuttonschild · 18/09/2018 23:44

If people reach adulthood not being able to cook or having had access to a school allotment, then we're doing something very wrong as a society.

At the rate the population is rising we'll all be eating burgers that were grown in a lab

Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 23:46

@HelenaDove why has this got anything to do with disabled children being denied benefits?

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lowtide · 18/09/2018 23:47

Are you Teresa may. There is no magic money tree!

FlyingMonkeys · 18/09/2018 23:48

And as for the airy fairy 'I'm sure most allotment holders would swap produce for digging!'... if even 3 people turned up at my allotment and traded digging for produce there wouldn't be anything left. I'm not out tending a commercial farm! And I'm pretty sure a couple of spuds and heads of corn wouldn't feed their families. I'm sorry OP I don't think you actually thought your post through.

TerryTucker · 18/09/2018 23:48

I suppose so but most times people don't think ahead in their lives and that's why they get into sticky situations. Also most people won't eat what you cook. I would and would love the money it would save but everyone else in my house is fussy. It would be terrible in my house if it got to this with these cry babies

Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 23:49

@FlyingMonkeys My point exactly. They had very little but they were better equipped to manage.

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lowtide · 18/09/2018 23:49

WTAF has a school allotment to do with food poverty

Benjaminbuttonschild · 18/09/2018 23:49

@Hiphopfrog

@HelenaDove why has this got anything to do with disabled children being denied benefits?

Erm the fact that lack of benefits = lack of money = equals lack of resources to grow//buy/heat said food 🤦🏻‍♀️

Is there an award for the deliberately obtuse? You can have it OP 🏆

Luscinia · 18/09/2018 23:51

I'm really sorry to hear that you've been through so much. In your blackest and hungriest moment what would have helped?

A job and enough money to cover me paying back the debts I accrued. However, there are people in poverty now who are unable to work due to illness, child care or disability. There are also plenty of working people who don't earn enough to afford the basics. There is a punitive benefit system which doesn't appear to be fit for purpose, the rolling out of UC appears to be pushing people into poverty. I could go on and on.

lowtide · 18/09/2018 23:53

Why don’t you read about the potato famine in Ireland
Them good old days when people survived on what they could grow.

lowtide · 18/09/2018 23:54

Google it if you’re lucky enough to have a computer and the internet. Oh yeah yup do

SaucyJack · 19/09/2018 00:01

“ If you had a couple of hours per week you could spend digging beds in exchange for a share of courgettes and potatoes would you go?”

I wouldn’t if I was hungry and actually needed food. My BIL has an allotment that we help him out with- and while it’s a wonderfully wholesome and Insta-worthy way to spend a Sunday afternoon, no fucking way would it actually feed his and our families if we had to rely on it. Four weeks it’s taken so far to grow one row of rocket. I don’t even want to talk about what happened to the carrots in the heatwave. They looked like some cutesy Japanese canapé, they were that tiny.

FlyingMonkeys · 19/09/2018 00:04

@HipHopFrog Umm no I think you kind of misread my point - they weren't better equipped to manage at all really. They were mostly living to a very poor standard for a very limited length of life. And the allotments in pit villages are/were in well 'pit villages', which by their very nature aren't in cities...

On an interesting side note - my hobby allotment has set us back since May of this year to the tune of £382!.. And we're pooling Christmas money for a new poly tunnel... As I said it's a very expensive hobby... You can buy a hell of a lot of potatoes & peas for 382 quid 😯

HelenaDove · 19/09/2018 00:04

and have men prey after you,

Rotherham??????????? Most of the young girls preyed on were in care or from working class homes.

LoisWilkerson1 · 19/09/2018 00:05

Arf at 'foraged'. Jam that hard hat on tight.

Benjaminbuttonschild · 19/09/2018 00:08

I'm going to start my own thread. "Is middle class privilege real?"

Leapfrog44 · 19/09/2018 00:11

@Benjaminbuttonschild I've never suggested that disabled children or anyone should have benefits cut.

I'm saying that people in our society are losing practical skills. The kids growing up in households reliant on food banks without even the means to cook at all are going to be even worse off. Many of the smart phone generation are helplessly reliant on ready meals and takeaways.

What should we do?

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