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Is food poverty real?

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Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 20:00

Provocative title, sorry I know food poverty is real. I'm just not convinced about the extent of it.

I've cooked half a packet of dried chickpeas 50p which we eat fried with garlic, salt and olive oil. They're also delicious with pasta or with potatoes as a curry. Braised Puy lentils (60p) cooked with onions, celery and the bendy carrots left in the fridge.

And to really push the boat out an aubergine stew with onions and tomatoes. The 3 big aubergines cost £1.50. Tomatoes and parsley came from the garden.

I spent an hour cooking today including making a loaf of bread. With some rice or couscous, and some salad, what I've made will feed us for 4 nights.

We have apples too, foraged at the weekend. The windfall ones I cut the bad off and stewed them, the rest are good for eating. There are also elderberries, plums and a few late blackberries dotted around the margins of the city for anyone who can be bothered to go out and pick them.

I know not everyone has a garden but a very small space can be used to grow quite a lot. In pots I grew enough tomatoes, green beans and lettuce to feed us all summer. If I was less lazy or more skint, I'd also seed save, to ensure I can grow them for free next year. Many allotment holders would totally give up some produce in exchange for labour too.

So I guess I'm wondering if the increasing number of people who are in financial dire staits and find themselves needing to use food banks are in fact suffering from a lack of food education as much as lack of money? Our grandparents in the same situation would have cultivated every bit of earth with home grown vegetables and I'm sure would have been more resourceful and more capable of making do on very little.

Obviously there are very vulnerable people without the means to cook or to grow but surely not everyone experiencing 'food poverty' is in this category? I often wonder why at food banks they don't ask if recipients have access to a bit of ground (or a few pots) and give them seeds? Pulses and in season veggies are incredibly cheap and with a few quid you can feed your family really well if you know how to cook them. It's far better to cook a simple vegetable curry or dhal and eat it all week than have to exist on the pot noodles, tinned sludge, sugary cereals and biscuits that they're giving out.

Times are going to get MUCH tougher. Climate change and environmental destruction will soon jeopardise our food security and food banks will not be able to help everyone.

So AIBU? As a society are we actually getting poorer and hungrier or have we just raised a couple of generations lacking general resourcefulness, cooking skills and horticultural know how? Times are tough for increasing numbers but I can't help feeling that many of these people just don't have a clue how to help themselves.

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SunnySkiesSleepsintheMorning · 18/09/2018 22:52

Why are some people playing poverty top trumps? It is totally grim. It’s disgraceful that seriously ill and disabled people go hungry and sit in cold houses. These threads always focus on the apparent lazy, healthy “scroungers” when the fact is, people who are disabled are much more likely to be in poverty. Would you tell the person who lost his leg in a car accident that he’s lucky because your cousin’s dog walker’s friend’s old school teacher lost 2 legs in a car accident? Hmm

JockTamsonsBairns · 18/09/2018 22:52

Bimgy 40% of food bank customers in 2016/2017 were in full time work. Your thoughts please?

Bimgy85 · 18/09/2018 22:53

@Boodapoo you don't understand hun, I'm agreeing with you. I said people do not know what real poverty is.

Borisdaspide · 18/09/2018 22:53

Were they all called Tyler? Did they have their address stamped on their foreheads? Are you a trolly sock puppeteer?

lowtide · 18/09/2018 22:53

@JockTamsonsBairns
As with my list earlier. It’s not about just being poor. It’s so much more complicated
Anyone that thinks it isn’t is stupid.

greenBalloondeflating · 18/09/2018 22:54

What a strange OP. I'm imagining a cross between Barbara Good and Hyacinth Bucket.

TeacupTattoo · 18/09/2018 22:54

Many people do not have access to growing space and can not afford the initial outlay for pots/seeds/compost for indoors. Many people do not have spare money to take public transport to cheaper supermarkets. Many people cannot afford fresh fruit and vegetables. Many people cannot afford to bulk buy or have room to store. Many people have health problems that affect the capability for cooking. Many people are...
trying their hardest and in tears when they have no alternative but to use foodbanks. They have no money left. That IS the reality for many.

JustHereForThePooStories · 18/09/2018 22:55

Hi OP. While I do agree that education around nutrition and food production can be helpful, it doesn’t solve an immediate need.

I’m financially secure. I don’t need to worry about bills, or water/electricity usage. I have a car and a choice of supermarkets close to me.

I also have a greenhouse and grow a lot of my own produce, not out of necessity, but as a hobby.

Here is one of my tomato plants. Thanks to living in an area impacted by a hose pipe ban, almost all of them failed. That was on a greenhouse, where I was even able to use the contents of my water butt to keep everything irrigated for as long as possible. Out of all of plants, this one fared the best.

Luckily, I wasn’t dependent on the tomatoes to feed me and my family throughout the summer. What would you propose I would do if I needed to?

Is food poverty real?
Benjaminbuttonschild · 18/09/2018 22:55

@Bimgy85 can't answer because they haven't even addressed my earlier post. Which was a direct answer to @Bimgy85's question.

I guess you can't reason with stupid.

howhighistherainbow · 18/09/2018 22:55

@Hiphopfrog our grandparents in nice leafy areas may have grown lovely vegetables and cultivated every piece of land.. the rest went to fucking poor houses!!!!

You're so out of touch it is unbelievable!

PortiaCastis · 18/09/2018 22:56

Oh FGS the the council estate bollocks has appeared now, yes the name and age of arsonists is known and ready to broadcast I see

Leapfrog44 · 18/09/2018 22:56

I should have known people would assume I'm callous, sanctimonious Tory voter. Quite the opposite, I'm not saying people who are struggling are lazy or stupid. I'm saying that we as a society are losing critical life skills. Fewer and fewer people cook or grow food and the next generation will be even worse off if we don't do something about it.

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Boodapoo · 18/09/2018 22:56

Benjaminbuttonschild Maybe she just can't be bothered with you. I'd like to compare degree, jobs, and education with people who call others stupid here.

Glaciferous · 18/09/2018 22:57

Poor 8 year old Tylers from some council estate literally tried to burn my friend's house down last week because it was fun. Do I care if they starve? Do I fuck.

Do you seriously not understand how supporting these children might make society better for you and all of us? Or how children not being hungry and marginalised might make them less likely to do something so awful? Society is better for everyone if we take care of those who have nothing.

Bimgy85 · 18/09/2018 22:57

@JockTamsonsBairns I will believe it when I see a reliable source of your facts.

369thegoosedrankwine · 18/09/2018 22:57

You really have idea.

Educate yourself on real issues that real people face....go to a food bank, listen to the stories that you hear and then see if that person would benefit from some land to grow a few potatoes.

Benjaminbuttonschild · 18/09/2018 22:58

@Boodapoo you don't speak for Bimgy.

Why would you like to compare education and jobs with people?? You are sick in the head!

Boodapoo · 18/09/2018 22:58

Glaciferous Not when they try to hurt people I care about.

Boodapoo · 18/09/2018 22:59

Benjaminbuttonschild You call people stupid, you must be such a genius. Oh wait.

Boodapoo · 18/09/2018 23:00

I'm done, keep posting. Froth instead of doing something positive. It's good for you.

Bimgy85 · 18/09/2018 23:00

@Benjaminbuttonschild you didn't exactly ask me a question but here goes, I suppose if people had held off having many children in one go without being able to support them they might not go through this.

If they had of listened to parents and gone through with a decent education, again they wouldn't be stuck in minimum wage dead end jobs

Anyone I know with a half decent job seems perfectly fine at keeping up with their expenses. Isn't that the whole point of 'education is everything' nowadays?

Borisdaspide · 18/09/2018 23:01

Hiphopfrog: if you had zero in your cupboards, no outside space, and minimal kitchen items (one pan, shitey knife) how easy do you actually think it would be?

More broadly, the farmers I know say the potato crops gone to shite this year. So that'll be another cheap food fucked.

Canuckduck · 18/09/2018 23:01

Of course food poverty is real and of course people need to use food banks. But there is a real problem with people not knowing basic cooking skills. Home cooked food can be made very nutritiously and cheaply. Places that offer cooking classes where people are able to share a meal and then take home a few meals of freezable leftovers can be a very powerful service. They can offer some companionship, skills in addition the food. These can be done at flexible times that work for many people.

howhighistherainbow · 18/09/2018 23:02

@Boodapoo you're disgusting Angry are you honestly saying you don't care aboit underprivileged children living in poverty because of one child from one area?

Benjaminbuttonschild · 18/09/2018 23:02

@Boodapoo erm @Bimgy85 asked a question. A ridiculous goady one at that.

I answered. Bimgy ignored. Hence didn't bother to take anything said onboard to gain some perspective and maybe reassess their viewpoint (as a smart, well-reasoned person would do). Hence I said you can't reason with stupid.

FYI even academics and scholars can lack basic compassion and common decency as well as common sense. Or did you not know that?

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