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At what point do you admit defeat and give up on your child?

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LucyDontLockIt · 14/09/2018 13:13

DS is almost 18 and has done nothing since leaving school 2 years ago. He managed to get a job at McDonald's and lasted a week before he was sacked for gross misconduct. Under pressure he's joined training schemes which are basically two days a week doing English and maths but half the time he doesn't even do that. He stays in bed until 3pmish and then goes out with his druggy stealing mates, sometimes all night.
He's been arrested once for assault but has basically been lucky in not getting arrested for other stuff he's done including trespassing, stealing, drugs and other assaults.
Everytime I think he's making an effort (signing up to college, applying for a job etc) it's only a matter of days before he goes out and gets smashed on drugs, gets into a fight, gets into trouble etc.
I've got him drug counselling, got him referred to cahms, got him counselling with them, tried to talk to him about aspirations etc etc, nothing gets through. His dad is useless and DH is passed caring (he's assaulted him and stolen from him too many times).
Most of his mates live in hostels. I've thrown him out before but always took him back as he had nowhere to go.
Now I find out he's getting involved in dealing. He and his mates are getting drugs from other parts of the country and selling them in our town. I also suspect they're stealing clothes as DS always seems to have clothes on him that I've not bought him and he has no money. Designer stuff.
To our faces he's nice, keeps himself to himself when in the house but all this other stuff is going on in the background.
I feel like I've done everything I can. At what point can a parent say "I tried"? I'm exhausted by it all.

OP posts:
NewName54321 · 14/09/2018 16:18

Report him as a victim of exploitation (county lines) before he turns 18.

Then move him away - as a family, to a relative or onto a scheme like Princes Trust.

Are there other children in the household? You need to act in order to protect them as well.

LucyDontLockIt · 14/09/2018 16:46

No other children in the house. My eldest son is away at university (so I managed to bring one of them up ok). Nothing has happened out of the ordinary to him (as far as I know). Me and his dad split when he was 2 years old. My now DH doesn't completely ignore him, he chats with him, fixes stuff for him, watches the YouTube videos that DS likes to show us, gives him bus fare money, sorted his new glasses out for him - what he won't do anymore is get "involved" in discipline because last time he was punched in the face for it (I had him arrested for it and he spent the night in a cell).
His behaviour has always been challenging, he was on school action plus for years, always innand out of heads office, swore, messed about, got into fights, stole from Tesco when he was 12 ...

I tried to sign him upto clubs - tennis he got thrown out of because he kept lobbing the ball at people on purpose, cubs he didn't get on with and kept getting into trouble, karate he got thrown out of for messing about and spitting at another kid.

I have tried to have him assessed for possible ADHD/ASD but nobody wants to know.

By giving up I didn't mean disowning him, I meant have him move out when he turns 18 but be there for him from a distance.

Only a few weeks back I was phoned up at work by the police about some allegations towards him. It's just non stop.

Moving isn't an option. We have no family that could help either. I would pay for him to go to camp America but it's difficult to get into and he probably wouldn't want to go anyway. He doesn't want to do anything that involves him being away from his mates.

OP posts:
coldrain2018 · 14/09/2018 16:52

Most teenagers dabble in drugs - SO my question stands - what has been going on in this child's life?

most teenagers do not "dabble in drugs" - this is just a comforting lie parents tell themselves to minimise their children's behavior and absolve themselves from parenting responsibilities.

those who become addicted or embroiled in crime tend to have more going on in their lives or their history than the average child. no, those that become addicted and embroiled in crime are a more or less random subset of those few that "dabble" in the first place.

Whats gone wrong with this boys life is that he dabbled in drugs.

lljkk · 14/09/2018 17:23

How can he be nice if he’s assaulted your husband?

That is confusing me, too. I could only live with a kid with problems if the problems are compartmentalised away from me. I could detach only until the chickens came home to roost. Family history (my mother & my druggie brothers) have not made me more tolerant than that.

You are only accountable to yourself, OP. I don't think MN is a good place to ask this question.

lljkk · 14/09/2018 17:25

xpost with update... I think we must have misunderstood whether there was violence.

I'm sorry you're facing such hard choices. FWIW, I don't believe you'd be heartless to nudge him out. You don't have good choices & you are allowed to prioritise your own mental health.

1981fishgut · 14/09/2018 17:28

I feel your pain op

My son lies constantly he is 18 and last year he was nearly out on his ear

I would be saying to him this if with in 6 months you have not got a job

Eduaction is just a time wasting it seems

You will be having a manged move I will not give reminders and or prompts

Then start saving a deposit if by the 6 months he has not turned a corner pay for two months up front for a bed stuff move him in the change your locks

Tell him you will always support him if he wants help
He will have to ask for it and show he’s doing somthing with it for it to continue for your own MH

Last year I was so unwell due to ds

He is currently saving so he can have a managed move

1981fishgut · 14/09/2018 17:29

coldrain2018

Most teenagers dabble in drugs - SO my question stands - what has been going on in this child's life?

most teenagers do not "dabble in drugs" - this is just a comforting lie parents tell themselves to minimise their children's behavior and absolve themselves from parenting responsibilities.

those who become addicted or embroiled in crime tend to have more going on in their lives or their history than the average child. no, those that become addicted and embroiled in crime are a more or less random subset of those few that "dabble" in the first place.

Whats gone wrong with this boys life is that he dabbled in drugs.

All of this

DancingDot · 14/09/2018 17:32

Coldrain

I suggest you have a look at ACES. Most people will have indulged in alcohol at some point - but most people do not become alcoholics. Those who do tend to have had issues in their past that have led to this.

Have a look at this website.
ACES

1981fishgut · 14/09/2018 17:32

People just don’t understand how difficult it is when you have a teen who is difficult

My own son has MH issues and GDD

It’s been wearing to say the least

Lweji · 14/09/2018 17:36

OP, sadly, he'll need to hit his rock bottom before he wants to change. While he is comfortable at home, with you supporting him and taking care of him, or until he almost dies from an overdose (for example), and even so, he won't get to that stage.

You can't force him to change.

You can't control him and you can't change him.

1981fishgut · 14/09/2018 17:47

Lweji

Totally agree
What incentive has he to change your tears won’t make him

He’s getting 3 square meals
Laundry
Heat light why will he stop your not going to ask him to leave

Start by taking his door key

So he can’t just come and go I did this with mine really improved his behaviour

RedneckStumpy · 14/09/2018 18:00

Lweji

I agree, in my step brother case he really needs to be scared straight by something like a near death experience.

grasspigeons · 14/09/2018 18:09

Where do you live ? Can you contact something like the YMCA

POAlockdown · 14/09/2018 18:10

I work with offenders. There are literally a handful that don't have a neurodevelopmental disorder, head injury, mental illness, learning disabilities or have experienced childood trauma.

Drugs are a symptom not a cause in the overwhelming majority.

Ask him to leave your house if you think that's what you need to do. Don't give him money and don't tolerate abusive behaviour.

But don't give up.

1981fishgut · 14/09/2018 18:53

Also not having living with you dosent = giving up

You can support from far

Giggorata · 14/09/2018 19:14

I agree with everything LauraMipsum said. This looks like County Lines, in which case your son is a victim of Criminal Commercial Exploitation.
Please report him as a victim to the Police and get him some help.

LakieLady · 14/09/2018 19:35

*I work with offenders. There are literally a handful that don't have a neurodevelopmental disorder, head injury, mental illness, learning disabilities or have experienced childood trauma.

Drugs are a symptom not a cause in the overwhelming majority.*

I'd agree with this, POAlockdown.

Almost every client I've worked with who has this sort of offending history has had issues like that. It's heartbreaking to work with, I can't begin to imagine how it feels to be the parent of a child who behaves like this.

My heart goes out to you, OP.

AllAboutTheStuff · 14/09/2018 20:03

I don’t know, I didn’t give up on mine but he was doing the stuff yours is when he was younger and still at school. Once he turned 16 and started college things got much better.

I’m not sure how much of the not working/ being in education I would take

BarbarianMum · 14/09/2018 21:10

Sorry but with drug addicts it's very hard to know which came first, the addiction or the mental illness. Use enough of them and you will definitely end up mentally ill.

civicxx · 14/09/2018 21:49

100% on the phone to the police without any guilt atall. If he's dealing drugs he won't be mixing with a good crowd, if anything goes south (which it will) your house & you are the target.

madyogafan · 14/09/2018 21:52

I really feel for you. I've had a lot of problems with my daughter which are related to mental illness. She moved out at 18(her choice but we didn't try to stop her!) and lived in a supported flat but the other people there all had issues and were not a good influence.
We did support her from a distance and she did actually finish a college course and go to university although she is still causing us a great deal of stress!
At that age they seem to struggle accepting consequences and I'm not sure what the answer is.
If your son moves out it could go either way unfortunately.

caringcarer · 26/10/2018 11:00

I would try to get an appointment to take him around a young offenders unit so he could see where he might end up if he does not change his ways. Do you have family who live a long way away so he could break the friendship group he hangs about with? If not I would seriously consider moving far away as I could never give up on my own child as no matter what they did I would still love them and do believe we all have capacity to change. Does he take drugs as well as deal in them? Could he go into a hehab clinic? I might be tempted to call social services up anonymously and ask what help might be available to get him off drugs if he is on them. I suppose you have tried talking to him about how much his behavior is upsetting you and causing you anxiety. If you give up on him he will have no one who cares about him in the world. Point this out to him and tell him you won't have drugs in house.

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