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Freedom of the press is not just important to democracy; it is democracy. Trump no. 94.

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TheClaws · 05/09/2018 00:41

Quote from Walter Cronkite.

Previous thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3345873-Trump-has-a-Pecker-problem-and-there-is-a-blue-pill-to-make-it-grow-bigger-midterms-Trump-threads-contd

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ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 17:24

Grinat Mueller investigation coining it in!

cozietoesie · 14/09/2018 17:28

'Conspiracy against the United States' ?

ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 17:38

erica orden
@eorden
Judge Amy Berman Jackson says Manafort's cooperation agreement includes:
-interviews and briefings he'll give to the special counsel's office

  • turning over documents
  • testifying in other proceedings
ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 17:54

southpaw
@nycsouthpaw
How long did it take to assemble this group and ascertain their backgrounds?

Senate Judiciary
@senjudiciary
65 women of bipartisan backgrounds who knew Judge Kavanaugh in high school: "For the entire time we have known Brett Kavanaugh, he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect" & has "stood out for his friendship, character, and integrity"
#SCOTUS
link: www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-09-14%2065%20Women%20who%20know%20Kavanaugh%20from%20High%20School%20-%20Kavanaugh%20Nomination.pdf judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/…

Note that, as the letter says, Georgetown Prep was at the time a boys-only school. So, assuming their good faith for a moment, Rs had to track down 65 women who went to nearby schools during the same period and happened to know Brett Kavanaugh to create this letter. No mean feat.'
mobile.twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1040628989289746432

ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 18:02

emptywheel
@emptywheel
This was obvious from the way this went down. Mueller got him to do ... something with that 1.5 hour delay this morning. So it's too late for Trump to avoid that testimony w/a pardon.

@DelWilber
!!! Prosecutor says that Manafort is cooperating with special counsel investigation !!!

Honestly, there is not a way in hell that no reporting team confirmed he was not cooperating. So you knew he was cooperating by the failure of anyone to get clarity on that. Mueller has basically delayed that news until after Manafort already gave them key evidence.

One other thing that has gotten too little attention. Manafort learned what Gates already testified to in prep for the EDVA trial. So he knows that Gates had already gotten Mueller 90% of the way to the Russian conspiracy charge.

Reasons why this is pardon proof:

  1. Mueller already got the key pieces of testimony a pardon would thwart.
  2. Manafort is subject to civil forfeiture; he loses $46M even w/pardon.
  3. The dropped charges can be filed in states. A pardon, at this point, does nothing. Nothing.

From January:
Trump Has Told Friends and Aides that Paul Manafort Can Incriminate Him
link: www.emptywheel.net/2018/01/30/trump-has-told-friends-and-aides-that-paul-manafort-can-incriminate-him/. emptywheel.net/2018/01/30/tru…

So Mueller's day (so far):

  1. He just paid for the investigation.
  2. He got the witness that EVEN TRUMP has said has the goods on him. It's not even lunch time yet.

Remember, too, that in the wake of the Gates plea, Mueller got warrants for the phones of probably around 10 Trump aides.
Manafort will probably get him to more.

lionheart · 14/09/2018 18:29

Renato Mariotti

Verified account

@renato_mariotti
1h1 hour ago

THREAD: What does Manafort’s cooperation tell us?

1/ Today prosecutors with Mueller’s office announced that Manafort’s plea agreement in the D.C. case was a “cooperation” agreement. That is big news—Manafort has agreed to tell Mueller everything he knows about potential criminal activity by anyone.

2/ The DOJ does not let defendants cooperate as to some people but not others. If a defendant cooperates, they have to provide the government with truthful and complete answers to any question and be willing to testify in any matter they are asked to be a witness in.

3/ For that reason, Manafort is not cooperating against one person in particular—he has agreed to say everything he knows, and in order to receive a deal, he had to already begin doing so. Prosecutors don’t give deals until after the defendant provides useful info.

4/ This also means that Manafort has something of value to offer Mueller. Mueller would not have given him a deal unless Manafort was able to help Mueller make a case against someone else or significantly strengthen an existing case.

5/ Until we see the plea agreement, we won’t know exactly what Manafort is receiving in return. But aside from being capped at ten years, the main benefit he would likely receive is the government recommending a lower sentence based on his cooperation.

6/ One thing is obvious—Manafort could have gotten a better deal if he flipped in the beginning, instead of wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees fighting Mueller. Until now, it looked like Manafort was angling for a pardon, but flipping runs counter to that.

7/ Trump recently praised Manafort for refusing to “break.” His reaction to this this deal will be worth watching. Manafort was chair of the Trump campaign and he was present at the Trump Tower meeting, so Trump has a reason to be concerned about what he might tell Mueller.

8/ That said, today’s cooperation deal does not necessarily mean that Manafort is getting the deal to flip on Trump. He may be getting the deal because of information he provided about someone else. But the deal does mean that he has to tell Mueller all he knows about Trump. /end

ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 18:48

She's a yes. Rinse and repeat:
Phil Mattingly
@Phil_Mattingly
Sen. Susan Collins had an hour-long call with Judge Brett Kavanaugh today, per Collins spox.
The call was scheduled earlier in the week before the letter/allegations became public, and happened early this afternoon.

lionheart · 14/09/2018 18:51

Of course.

ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 18:52

Peter Baker
@peterbakernyt
Pompeo told one group that when it came to North Korea, there was “a one-in-a-hundred chance this will work,” a former official who has spoken with Pompeo tells
@sbg1

“None of Them Is Where the President Is”: It’s Trump vs. Trumpworld Over North Korea
newyorker.com
www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/none-of-them-is-where-the-president-is-its-trump-vs-trumpworld-over-north-korea/amp?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 19:00

Ha!
Eamon Javers
@EamonJavers
The president’s legal team put out an initial statement that said: “the President did nothing wrong and Paul Manafort will tell the truth.” Minutes later, they put out a new statement that said simply: “the President did nothing wrong.”
mobile.twitter.com/EamonJavers/status/1040631124681207808

PerkingFaintly · 14/09/2018 19:26

Mr Noah on 45's Puerto Rico comments... but it has more mileage.

Freedom of the press is not just important to democracy; it is democracy. Trump no. 94.
ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 21:58

'Paul Manafort Will Give Robert Mueller “Complete Cooperation,” His Attorney Says'
Inside the courtroom when Trump’s campaign chairman flipped.'
www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/paul-manafort-will-give-robert-mueller-complete-cooperation-his-attorney-says/

ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 22:04

southpaw
@nycsouthpaw
Sort of underplayed aspect of this tweet--Grassley's staff didn't take any steps to verify the letter or its signatories' acquaintance with Kavanaugh. They just rushed it out to the press as soon as it came in. A contrast with Feinstein.
Mike Davis
@mrddmia
Judge Kavanaugh's former law clerks started organizing the 65 female high-school classmates' letter after 5 pm yesterday. Grassley's office released the letter today right after we received it. Impressive work. (link: twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/1040625006449971200) twitter.com/BresPolitico/s…
mobile.twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1040693726379696134

ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 22:10

'Paul Manafort's Cooperation With Mueller Is the Biggest Blow Yet to Trump'
'The president and his former campaign chairman have spent months sharing information about the Russia investigation. Now Manafort has decided to help the government.'
www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/570331/?utm_source=twb&__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 14/09/2018 22:35

Trumpty Dumpty's twitter is aflood with tweets and retweets about Florence, emergency measures, staying safe, FEMA, even in Spanish. What has brought on this sudden assiduous onslaught of concern?HmmHmmHmm

CaveMum · 14/09/2018 22:37

Oh I really hope The Donald has a lovely weekend with all of this evenings news

cozietoesie · 14/09/2018 22:38

What else can he tweet about? It's possibly good for the people of the Carolinas.

PerkingFaintly · 14/09/2018 22:53

Well there is that. Nothing like knowing you've suddenly become the favourite distraction topic for those with power, so might get support and help after all.

Plenty of that going on for various topics at the moment, in the UK too.

cozietoesie · 14/09/2018 23:06

True.

PerkingFaintly · 14/09/2018 23:28

I've just realised, you don't mean Dumpty's tweeting about Florence, do you? Just that the bots are filling his threads with their junk?

Don't think Vlad's gonna be doing much for Americans hit by Florence.

cozietoesie · 14/09/2018 23:46

I don't think he shall. Grin

Especially not for 45 who I suspect he despises. (His own personal Vietnam etc.)

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