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Golliwogs...

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GoodNewsTwo · 03/09/2018 17:44

A colleague of mine today put a small golliwog figurine on her desk. Said she's always liked them and that she doesn't see an issue. I explained that some people (myself included) find them offensive and dated, and think they are too controversial for a workplace setting. As a black woman, I don't really like to sit and look at it all day. I'm sure many people wouldn't regardless of their ethnicity/race. AIBU to ask her again to remove it? I don't want to be 'that girl' who has an issue with race (I don't) - on this occasion, I just feel extremely uncomfortable.

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GoodNewsTwo · 04/09/2018 10:24

I literally have not had time to sit and write an email to HR this morning before my meeting which is a couple of hours away, especially not a well worded eloquent one that gets my point across without seeming like I'm on the attack. I am going to write to HR this afternoon as that is the soonest opportunity I have.

Thanks all for the advice!

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MeyMary · 04/09/2018 10:27

@ilovesooty

It should not be.

I know from experience that complaining about sexism and sexual harassment can lead to the victim being portrayed as stuck up, hysterical, oversensitive etc.

I would guess that the same may happen in the case of racism. (Or homophobia etc...)

The OP herself seems to be worried about this as well...

seventhgonickname · 04/09/2018 10:27

I get you OP.As a white woman I would have no issue making a scene and getting her to remove it.Some how you being black seems to me that she she's at you're personally offended not that it is offensive to all.
And I am older than her,I remember the black and white minstrel show and the jam jars.There is a reason these went a long time ago.
You are right to get the involved and maybe their involvement will be an education for her.
I hope this is sorted soon for you.

GoodNewsTwo · 04/09/2018 10:28

@MeyMary I do understand where you are coming from, but in the nicest way possible, I think that's a damaging attitude to have. I think we should be encouraging people to speak out about racism, and cultural awareness - not to shut them down and give those who are more established and higher up the ranks than us a free pass to do what they want. This is the issue I have faced my whole life and every time I chose the path to ignore I regretted it deeply and felt a great deal of shame for not standing up for what I thought was right. I think the word is oppression?

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GoodNewsTwo · 04/09/2018 10:29

And that's not a dig at you. It's a stance I have also taken in the past. I just deeply regretted it every time.

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ilovesooty · 04/09/2018 10:31

Spot on @GoodNewsTwo.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 04/09/2018 10:33

Just re read your original post. Not sure there is any point speaking to her before HR. If I had something on my desk and someone said it offended them and explained why I'd just take it down even if I didn't really understand. Then I'd probably Google it to see if other people felt this way or I just had a crazy colleague. My college next to me literally cannot stand mess, I am naturally very messy but have made an effort to be neater as it genuinely distresses them looking at my desk. I know this is not the same type of thing at all as a gollywog should offend everyone and be against company policy.....but it shows she doesn't give a shit about your opinions or trying to educate herself

TheCakeCrusader · 04/09/2018 10:34

Sorry to hear that this has happened to you OP- it sounds like this colleague is deliberately being provocative. Given that you’ve also now explained why you don’t feel comfortable due to the racist connotations associated with this figure, your colleague is coming across quite unpleasant and I’d almost say that her attitude sounds like it’s bordering on racist behaviour.

My husband’s company had a very recent incident on a similar issue and they have dealt with it swiftly and are now organising a diversity workshop for the company to show that this kind of behaviour is just not acceptable and could be viewed as a criminal offence. I can’t give too much info here as it would be too outing but I do know the management were appalled by the ignorance of this particular employee towards a black colleague- the particular employee has been dealt with accordingly.

MeyMary · 04/09/2018 10:34

It is oppression. That seems to be one of the chore characteristic of oppression / an oppressive environment.

Not being able to speak against unfair treatment or knowing that doing so may only worsen the situation... But it is also a reality. (At least in some situations/in my experience).

I hope you didn't feel like I was trying to shut you down.

MeyMary · 04/09/2018 10:39

*core characteristics

(I'm not a native English speaker)

Anyhow, good luck!

GoodNewsTwo · 04/09/2018 10:41

I didn't think that at all Mey. I have taken the same stance myself so could never accuse you of being oppressive or trying to shut me down when I've taken that exact path myself. It's sad, but I wouldn't recommend anyone taking that approach as internally it results in turmoil.

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DunkandEggAgain · 04/09/2018 10:48

Even talking about how Golliwogs gives you fond memories of jam and marmalade gets my back up.
Jam, made with sugar, grown on plantations and tended to by those pesky coo-, oops sorry, those nigg-, oops hang on, the wo-, nope, here we go, those black people.
My great auntie from Jamaica has the surname Tate (as in Tate &Lyle).
You know, if someone was truly sincere and genuine about this, then 10 minutes on Google would give them all the information they'd need. Faux innocence is absolutely spot on.

Lepetitpiggy · 04/09/2018 10:49

The 'being born in a multi cultural town' thing is bollocks. My DH family come from ( and most have never left) a very very multi cultural part of the East Midlands and they are deeply and unpleasantly racist (and homophobic, but that's a whole other thread)
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FermatsTheorem · 04/09/2018 10:54

GoodNewsTwo - I hope the meeting with HR goes well. It should go without saying in this day and age that you can't put a gollywog on your desk in work - it is racist, it is offensive.

Threads on gollywogs always bring out the worst in Mumsnet, in my experience. They allow the genuine racists to be racist while pretending they're just being nostalgic for their childhood. They allow the simply stupid and unaware to demonstrate that they're stupid and unaware. And because they do both these things, they are often started by trolls simply to generate frothing, which in turn brings out the troll-hunters - which means that when someone like you posts genuinely wanting help with a real workplace issue, the troll-hunters come out as well as the racists and the stupids.

I'm sorry you've had to go through seeing this place at its worst, in a situation where you genuinely needed support and advice.

Longtalljosie · 04/09/2018 11:00

Ah - so she’s older than you but doing the same job? Bet you’re better at it than she is so she’s done this disgusting thing as some sort of headfuck. I’m so sorry you’re going through this.

Lizzie48 · 04/09/2018 11:02

I'm really shocked at the troll hunting on this thread, it's caused a lot of upset for the OP and understandably so. Hmm

Feefeetrixabelle · 04/09/2018 11:07

OP when you message HR don’t say golliwogs are offensive to black people-please say they are offensive to all decent people regardless of race because of their previous negative connotations with regards to the black community. Because it’s not just black people with an issue with them and black people shouldn’t be made to feel like they are alone in this battle against racism disguised as nostalgia.

GoodNewsTwo · 04/09/2018 11:10

Absolutely feefee. Thank you!

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Lizzie48 · 04/09/2018 11:16

I'm appalled to think anyone in this day and age would consider it remotely acceptable to have a golliwog figurine on their desk. I hope HR deal with this matter pronto.

AsleepAllDay · 04/09/2018 11:18

People on this thread acting as if they'd be happy with a Klansman hood on display or similar. People were still doing blackface and yellowface during an older person's 'childhood,' putting up 'no dogs no blacks no Irish' posters up and don't forget the Tory candidate who ran on the slogan 'If you want an N word for your neighbour, vote Labour'

Even 20, 30 years ago these were okay things and it doesn't make them right and nor should the OP have to negotiate on her dignity with this clearly bigoted woman!

TheCakeCrusader · 04/09/2018 11:22

Do speak to HR- what this colleague is doing comes under a form of harassment (Equality Act 2010). HR should be taking this seriously. I know my husband’s company took the behaviour of one of the employees very seriously and it had similar connations to what you’ve been going through.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 04/09/2018 11:28

Good luck OP.

I'm sorry; meeting such a suspicious, hostile reception when you were feeling genuinely unsure of what to do must have been a bit of a shock.

Firstly, your co-worker is unreasonable. She either knows what she's doing, or she is as thick as pig-shit.

Secondly, the early reactions to this thread? Don't take it personally, although it must feel dreadfully personal, and don't think it means you're unreasonable to be offended.

The thing is, MN has a long-standing problem with trolling and fishing for anecdotes about gollywogs (and some occasional genuine people seeking advice on how to handle social situations involving the things). So we get threads that are manufactured either as a vehicle for gollywog promotion, or as an opportunity to upset ethnic minority MNers. For example, people claiming that they own one, they have placed it in the front window of their house, and they totally can't understand why their black neighbours find it hostile. Then they and a rag-taggle of other racists spend 500 posts trying to wind up BAME MNers by being creatively dense and calling them over-sensitive.

Sometimes the OP poses as a white person who finds gollywogs objectionable, and then the OP or the OP's mate posts under another name, claiming to be a black or mixed race person who lurves gollywogs, and says that it's outrageous that the white OP has 'dared to take offence on behalf of black people'. Whatever format the OP has chosen, there is always at least one person earnestly explaining that gollywogs are actually a symbol of acceptance, because the source book was positive about black people for its time. HmmIt seems irrelevant to them that we are in 2018 and should be aspiring to greater levels of equality than what might have been progressive in what was literally Victorian times. Or that the things are more than the sum of their parts and symbolise more than a children's book.

So in light of all this, I'm afraid that when you posted, I thought it was another variation on the same theme, and clearly it wasn't just me. If you've missed these threads, fair enough. Good for you, really, because they are disgusting cesspits, and every time we have one, and I read through the morass of justifications for displaying degrading racist caricatures, I'm ashamed to be an MNer.

SwearyMaclary · 04/09/2018 11:28

Wow @GoodNewsTwo sorry you’ve had such a hard time on this thread.

Of course it’s totally unacceptable for her to have this on her desk. I’m a bit shocked that your manager hasn’t spotted this and dealt with it already...wouldn’t take five minutes where I work.

I’m always a bit shocked by the people who post that it’s just a black doll or that it reminds them fondly of their childhood. As if that excuses what it stands for!

HeronLanyon · 04/09/2018 11:30

Good luck today with this issue. Seems crazy to invoke ‘luck’ with an issue which should be simple case of her being told to remove it (without you needing to take the lead in this), being seen by hr and receiving some equality/discrimination training (as all of us should as a matter of course). So sorry the thread has been anything other than supportive (havent read it all but can see this may have been the case).

AllyMcBeagle · 04/09/2018 11:35

The figurine is still there and has now been stuck down with blue tac so I will be speaking to HR at some point this afternoon!

Good on you OP. It's a really obvious breach of the Equality Act. You might like to send this link to HR as it was held to be discrimatory to just use the word 'golliwog' when talking about jam (albeit the claim failed on a technicality as the claim was brought too late) - your situation sounds much worse.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10488604/Black-chef-suing-employers-after-boss-used-word-golliwog-during-conversation-about-Robertsons-jam.html