DBS check

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I know it's not a AIBU thread but I wasn't getting any response on my other one - So I attended the police station a while back for a VA, I was read my rights but not arrested or cautioned (I don't think). My question is will this show up on an enhanced DBS check? The job is for a role in healthcare.

What's a VA?

No idea what a va is

I was under the impression you're only read your rights if you're arrested? I've never been in any trouble though so wouldn't really know. Can you not phone the police station and ask them for any info held on you under gdpr?

Voluntary arrest? It depends what level of DBS you are getting and if they feel that the offence is relevant to the purpose you are getting the DBS for, ie, working with children, volunteering in a school, working with vulnerable adults etc.

Short answer is yes. At chief constable's discretion anything can be mentioned. I understand though it is unusual for minor conversations etc without relevance to be mentioned. However I have no idea what a VA is, violent affray, vehicle a....., voluntary a..... that is going to make all the difference

It's a voluntary Interview and it's an enhanced DBS check

Why VA and not VI?

What was it for?

No, it won't show up unless you were convicted or cautioned, unless it's a MAPPA (serious sex or violence) matter with strong intelligence behind it which could have led to a marker.

It shouldn't show up unless you were arrested or charged. Also depends on the nature of the offence it relates to.

I'm not sure kaytee think it mean attendance? It was a financial issue, I was only asked to go in to clarify a few things

Sorry to correct - those saying it won't show unless convicted etc. That is true for a normal DBS but not enhanced

Standard DBS checks show details of spent and unspent convictions, cautions, reprimands and final warnings held on police records. Enhanced DBS checks show the same information as standard checks, plus any additional information held by local police considered relevant to the role in question.

However I believe you can write and ask what will be included in yours. It does not mean anything will show up just that it can

No, I'm correct for enhanced, cats.

Tbh, I wouldn't worry about whether it does or not.

I've employed people in healthcare who have had things shown up on their dbs.

They may ask for clarification and depending on the information given ensure you are supervised, from what you've said it's not something that would automatically mean that you can't work in healthcare.

Minor pedantic point, arising from post above :even on enhanced DBS, some types of spent convictions disappear.

There's a whole complicated system, which differs in the way convictions become spent from the ' everyday' spent convictions rule.

So if you've got a minor conviction from years ago, maybe even one you've served a short prison sentence for ,don't assume it will necessarily show up on an enhanced DBS, and bar you from ever taking a job where you need enhanced DBS.

Name change, post a thread, and we'll all plunge down a rabbit hole till we tease out whether your conviction has become invisible.

This is re-assuring thank you

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Can you reference. Genuinely interested because I check these for employees and have seen non convictions/cautions etc given by some police forces. The detail I gave was from the government website www.gov.uk/dbs-check-applicant-criminal-record

Can I ask - if someone is arrested for carrying a knife aged 12 and it doesn't go to court but community service is offered, accepted and completed then never, ever does anything else. Does it show up on a check?

Under 18 stuff normally completely disappears other then really realy bad stuff like murder etc.

You can’t do community service when 12. Was this a Final Warning when reparation was undertaken? Unlikely to show up but depends on the offence. Enhanced DBS was bought in after the Soham murders because Ian Huntley had been questioned or arrested, but not cautioned or convicted, about a number of issues that would have made the school think twice about employing him if these were known. They are different to information sharing under the Rehabilitation of offenders legislation. You cannot assume that historical information will not be included. These checks are designed to protect vulnerable people, so police intel may be included.

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I know of people in the past not having a clean DBS but the problems highlighted were of no issue to the role so they were employed

Can I ask - if someone is arrested for carrying a knife aged 12 and it doesn't go to court but community service is offered, accepted and completed then never, ever does anything else. Does it show up on a check?

This can't have happened. Only a court can order punishments (afaik) and the below are for under 18s - no community service.

"referral orders – when, with a panel of people from your local community and your youth justice workers, you are asked to agree a programme of work to address your behaviour
reparation orders – when you make up for the harm caused by your crime, like repairing any damage to the victim’s property
Youth Rehabilitation Order – when a court decides on different things that you have to do or must not do, which can last for up to 3 years"

I may have the phrasing wrong re community service. It was my DS he's 30 now and feels haunted by this one awful thing. I think it might have been YOTS and I had to take him somewhere for a few months to make remembrance poppies and to listen to talks given by prisoners etc.

Referral orders have an element of community reparation with them which operates the same as community service

Or it could be restorative justice in a different form

The former is unlikely to show on a dba unless it was relevant to the sequencing of the check

Young person's rj would not turn up as it isn't court ordered and usually as a part of early intervention services at that age

Gettingback - thank you.

Does that mean if someone asks him if he has ever been arrested he can say no? Is it still in police records? They took his DNA and fingerprints - would those have been retained?

He would need to say yes to be honest...its hard to call but in the care industry I work now it probably wouldn't occur but it's absolutely grounds for gross misconduct if it's ever found out ( and we take the deception very seriously)

In Substance Misuse or Mental health services it's likely to show (although these are standard checks there is a section that can record information of note)

My honest suggestion would be it would honestly be far far better to be upfront

I've overridden several positive dbs with risk assessments (which is standard procedure) where it's clear it was an old offence and not current behaviour

I know it's hard to hear but being upfront really is the best scenario honestly

Explain the circumstances to a goid manager and they can look at making a decision

Sorry hth