To ask for your opinion?

[Theunmumsymummy]

I was having a conversation with Dsis about having the coil put in when niece (12) asked what it was. We explained to her and she came back a few minutes later with the comment that if everybody (I'm going to assume she meant women) had them put in at birth and then not taken off again until they were an adult then you could effectively get rid of teen pregnancies. I mentioned it to a friend and she said that someone should have to prove that they're capable and mature enough to be a good parent before they have it taken out. My mum was a social worker and I grew up with stories of kids who grew up in awful conditions, not because the parents were cruel but simply because they were incompetent. I know that it couldn't really happen and that it's slightly Orwellian but I thought it was an interesting idea and just wondered what you thought about it.
Please don't bite my head off .

All this is perhaps irrelevant, as the increasing use of social media has led to a substantial drop in teenage pregnancies, halving in the past 20 years with the faasted drop over the past 10 years, and is at its lowest rate since records began.

No need to slag off mumsnet users because people disagreed with you OP.

You came on to Mumsnet, a site predominantly for mums, some whom will have had baby girls, myself included. What was your intention?

Admittedly, starting a thread that's not about comparing cleaning products or whether a three year old is ready to start mandarin lessons on a website like this wasn't a great idea on my part.

No. Starting a thread about breaking the autonomy of young girls (babies even) and harming them to further eugenic ideas wasn't a great idea on your part.

You asked whether you're unreasonable to ask for our opinion about an absolutely barbaric idea. (The idea does remind me of a modest proposal. Is this supposed to be satire?)

You were told that you're being unreasonable for not knowing where you stand and even needing to ask.
Several people also explained why this would be a spectacularly awful idea.

You however seem to be unable to handle the criticism and simple chose to insult mumsneting. Well done, OP...

But I'm obviously the silly one for not being willing to consider the potential benefits of inserting objects up baby girls' privates, leaving them in their uterus and forcing them to deal with the side effects.
Potentially for the rest of their lives (or at least until after their menopause...) if your lovely friend had it her way.

As I understand it, coil insertion hurts adult women. Wouldn't know myself, have no need for one. Yet you want to do this to newborn girls?

What kind of sub-sociopathic bullshit is this?

As a thought experiment I get it. I mean I get the idea of a non intrusive contraceptive method with no side effect that kicks in at puberty and then removed when a person decides they're ready for a baby. The "ideal" world scenario.

But even so it raises the issues of consent,of bodily autonomy and most importantly of fitness. It raises the issue of trusting governments and society to decide what is acceptable,normal and fit. Nope.

If a hypothetical non invasive, completely effective 0 side effect contraception existed I would actually kind of like this idea. Beyond age 16 you could have it removed as long as no one could prove you were incapable of looking after a child.

@CripsSandwiches but who would be deemed "incapable "? Poor people,smokers,disabled,history of abuse,history of poor mental health, people that grew up in care etc.? Who would decide and how? Based on statistics? Based on boxes being ticked?

Are you really suggesting we should be inserting coils into the vaginas of baby girls and then forcing them to undergo exams as adults before they’re allowed to have it removed?

Honestly, sometimes the absolute shit children speak should be left well alone. Not every turd contains a nugget of gold.

What it boils down to is that no one has the right to question your capability as a parent if you can get pregnant naturally. But it’s different if you need to access medical treatment to get pregnant.

Disgusting idea to force it on children. It should only be done to adults with consent.

Jesus Christ. And how do we stop the ‘bad’ fathers from procreating?

Do people know nothing about history and eugenics? The State, or anyone other than the woman herself, deciding when and whether a woman can engage in her biological right to recreate, is horrific.

There have been threads in here in the last week claiming parents are irresponsible for having kids when they haven’t financially planned and prepared to have children with no benefits. Some people would say if you need benefits, you haven’t got the right to have children. If you use a food bank, you have no right having children. Who on earth would be capable of deciding whether a woman should be allowed to have a baby??

I wouldn’t even want the coil in nevermind a poor little baby! It can be painful to insert even for grown women and has loads of side effects. How could this be a good idea?!

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