Nigella and Saatchi. Liam and Debbie. Primitive man in action

[longwayoff]

Pictures of Liam Gallagher doing 'a Saatchi' to his girlfriend. Liam says be didn't. Girlfriend says he didn't. Photo unmistakably says he did. Why do we women collude with our oppressors in this way?

He said he never put his hands on a woman in a vicious manner. Aside fro the throat grab, the way he shoved her through the doorway looked pretty vicious.

She said it was a pack of lies and "fake news" and they were going to sue. That may have been what prompted the club to release the footage.

Apparently he had been seen being aggressive towards her in the club and customers had complained to security, that was probably why they moved out to that corridor. And he probably did then go outside and shout that she was a witch, it seems to be his favoured insult for women, his sister in law gets plenty of that because he sees her as the person who keeps him from his brother.

By the way, this is the woman he credits with rejuvenating his career (she's his manager or something in that capacity), and she also set up the meeting with his daughter that led to them having a relationship (I'd say reuniting but he'd never bothered to meet her before).

I hope this footage going public means she can get support from her loved ones and think about what she wants to do next. It can't be easy.

Perhaps she has denied it because she lives with him and it will make her life easier to not have Press after them. Perhaps a mollified calm Gallagher is easier to live with than an angry, blaming, aggressive Gallagher. She also works for him so presumably if the relationship breaks up she will lose her job as well as her home and her lifestyle. Perhaps she had a lot to drink before or after and does not remember exactly what happened.

If she is reading MN, I say LTB now, sell your story of the last however many years with the bastard, expose him for what he is, get a bit of financial security from doing so and never look back at him ever.

Her denial will be pierced now. The media coverage will pierce her delusion that she is lucky to have him. If she is with him because she believes the relationship validates her then pity will not make the relationship worthwhile.

Swollen glands my fat arse. Why aren't people embarrassed to type shite like that?

I'm so fucking incensed by the wording of the ops post. 'why do we women collude with our oppressors'

I only hope it's actually naivety and not internalised mysogyny. Op, read up on my previous suggestions regarding the dynamics of domestic abuse.

Ive just had to watch it again. I see a drunk woman and a man jabbing her in the face. I can’t see his hand around her neck. It’s obvious that this kind of thing is a regular occurrence and I totally agree with the PP who said her whole life is wrapped up in him, it’s not going to be easy to walk away. She lives with him, works for him, probably now shares the same friends. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’d also done a good job of isolating her from her support system ie family and friends. She’s not going to leave him without something big happening IMO.

How do you know she is drunk?

Checking her glands. Smh.
She is lying to herself, not colluding with him. She doesn't want to be a DV victim- who does? Easier to pretend everything is fine and that he is a lovely person.

She spoke to The Mirror and told them they were only "messing around". It's sad.

A man doesn't have to physically hit a woman to be abusive. Liam puts his hand up as though he's about to choke her, and she throws her head back, obviously afraid that he will. That's a nasty dynamic. So much for the perfect family man image he's been cultivating lately.

Well I don’t understand why The Sun of all publications are against him for this behaviour now.

In the 90s they hailed him and his equally repulsive brother as ‘legends’ and encouraged the whole ‘lad’ culture of laryness, abusive language, drinking multiple pints of ‘wife-beater’ and drugging and fighting at taxi ranks after the club whilst holding a kebab. Slapping your Mrs around for ‘piping up’ is just a natural extension of this behaviour that was so celebrated.

Although it’s not her fault she’s probably feeling embarrassed that this is out in the open. I hope it propels her to leave.

Their dad knocked their mum about. It's documented

Firstly I have never put my hands on any woman in a vicious manner. Secondly, there is only 1 witch and we all know who that is.. as you were LG x

Well that video clearly shows that you have. That was not ‘messing around’. And the arrogance of that message, that ‘as you were’ at the end is so dismissive. Yes, ‘as you were’ Debbie and my fans, go back to adoring me now, nothing to see here. Well actually there is something to see Liam, and we’ve all seen it now.

Here’s another side to it
Let’s as a society .. make it easier for women to leave violent men.
Not just the important actual safety aspect of leaving them safely ( and this is hugely important ) but supporting themselves and children afterwards . Longer term.
I think financial fear plays a huge role in why women with children stay .

My ex husband was a violent so and so. I did leave him, divorced him. I didn’t press charges as I needed child maintenaince and knew he wouldn’t be able to keep his career with a criminal record
I just left ( with a lot of support I know not everybody has ) , told him I wouldn’t press charges but wanted full Csa . Kept our young( at the time Ds away) , unless his grandmother or paternal uncle present .

Fast forward a few years, Ds has refused to see his dad for some time and nothing will make me force him , but I used to send photos and updates, offered to support him seeing paternal grandmother and cousins and was grateful for child support (admittedly forced off him at source through courts )
Then Ex does same to his fiancée. She presses charges , ex gets a criminal record for assault and loses his job . Now I am losing our house, working every hour god sends including evenings instead of being home for homework and ordering my kid pizza instead of cooking for him. An extremely kind other parent often keeps him at theirs for me to collect because I get back late. I am beyond grateful but feel awful and miss my kid .

I am mystified by how I was meant to pay for everything including mortgage on tax credits and my former part time earnings . But whilst I am working the hours needed to cope without maintenaince I am not there for my boy .

Also Ds 12 read about what his dad did in the press( and got bullied at school ) which was devastating for him .
I am figuring out how to pay for school uniform and the bills
I am careful ( trust me ) .. do charity shops , sales and vouchers only.

I haven’t name changed for this post , I am responding to a generic post about celebrities who probably don’t have my financial concerns .
I am offering up my own reality to suggest that “ financial fear “ may be a reason the average woman in the street tries to “ manage “ rather than leave a violent partner .

I hope I haven’t offended anybody
My strong desire is to safeguard anybody away from a dangerous situation. But there isn’t anything in place to help practically and financially the children of theses men once society “brings them to justice “
My ex is jubilant he doesn’t have to “ pay me “ anymore now he can’t work

Bumbelinadance - brilliant post. What you and your son have been through is horrendous. No advice but you are very brave.

My abusive ex once hit me round the back of the head on our way home from a meal. I still didn't leave straight away.

Thankyou moita
Back of the head seems to be a favourite I recall
I think I understand fully why you didn’t leave straight away ( without wanting to speak for you )
Really glad that won’t be happening to you again .

Bumbelinadance I really feel for you with your financial difficulties, well done for leaving. I’m sorry he continued his violent relationships, and you’re still suffering because of it.

Bless you flashinggreen

Bumbleinadance so true. I stayed for 7 years because i had nowhere to go and no money when i got there. I left eventually and he set out to destroy me. It is too identifying if i say what he did when i left him but he brought the law down on me.

Maybe he hasn't done it before? It was a one off? Years Go I slapped a bf.

Never before or since have isobar that and wouldn't dream of doing it to dh.

I thought he had history with a previous wife? It didn't look unusual to either of them in that video, to my eyes. What a coincidence that the one and only time he tried to hurt her happens to be caught on cctv...

I watched it again. Objectively I hope.
She drew back ....Instinctively . Then her head went down ... “ avoid visible bruises that make kicking it under the carpet tricky “
Sorry but it’s happened to her before with him I am pretty certain
I understand cctv often only shows part of a story .. but it’s there in her body language .
To my opinion She is doing the damage limitation “ get us out of public arena before somebody sees and I have to face its real “ thing I used to do so frequently .
He’s a talented guy
I was a huge oasis fan back in the day
But I don’t think he is a very nice man at all . I don’t think “ man” is the correct word.

Again what’s horrid is his kids probably saw this online .
Really hope it doesn’t go on around them .
My Ds was so screwed up when he read about his dad in the papers .
Liam Gallagher has a responsibility to his children to lead by example .

SHE NEEDS TO LEAVE HIM .I hope her family/ Freinds get through to her. Poor woman needs support, their lives are probably highly entwined .

It would be unusual I think for the first time there is abuse between a co-habiting couple that it happens in a public setting? Not even just the alleyway, customers had complained he was being aggressive to her in the bar. She looked submissive, not shocked. This isn't new to her.

I haven't heard of him being abusive to a woman before, but he certainly doesn't seem to have much respect for women. He has cheated on every partner he's had since he's been famous.

Going by his track record, maybe he found out she's pregnant? He seems to leave contraception to the women too - even though it's cost him a hell of a lot of money!

It isn’t just the CCTV though. Before that was released there were numerous eye witnesses who came forward which was when Liam issued the denial in the first place.

Whether he has done it before or not shouldn’t come into it. He has assaulted her and she should leave him and report him to the police. Whether she will or feels able to is another matter.

Bumbleinadance I am sorry to hear that your ex’s violence has continued to affect your life, even though he is no longer part of it. Having read your post, I think many can understand why you didn’t report him. Equally I can understand why he was then reported by a future fiancée. It just seems very unfair that it doubly impacts you.

She does need to leave him. I hope she does. Unfortunately she's also his manager so double damage limitation needed. As you say Bumbelina, women need somewhere to go, a safe place. It needs to be easier for us to do that. Erin Pizzey realised that and set up Womens Aid which over the years has helped thousands, before her there was no refuge from dv. And how many refuges have had to close through lack of funding? I wish schools would give more attention to forming healthy relationships and developing self esteem. Many of us I think, when we're young, stumble into relationships and welcome them unthinkingly. And few of us receive any guidance on how to leave an entanglement that's gone sour. We all need to manage this kind of behaviour better. But I dont know how.