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AIBU to report her for benefit fraud...

267 replies

Bringyourown · 17/08/2018 18:42

Very long story short. Person I know has been claiming benefits for at least 7 years I've known her.
Now this is a case of sour grapes, she misrepresented herself to me and basically used me for all she could get out of me, and me being stupid and gullible and so happy that someone liked me that I gave her everything I could.
I've been stewing on this for months and my mental health has broken down to the point I just can't get out of bed. I have nothing and nobody left.
She is a dog walker/boarder, horse trader and now a scrap metal merchant.
Should I report her or should I just put it down to experience?

OP posts:
LaurieMarlow · 17/08/2018 22:58

If they weren't fraudung they'd still have to pay it out.

Pay it out to who? Confused

MrsChollySawcutt · 17/08/2018 23:04

No pasttimes the money isn't just there anyway. Have you not heard of the national debt? There isn't a stack of gold coins gleaming in the treasury waiting to be spent on benefits. We have to borrow money and pay hefty rates of interest on it to balance the books.

As of Q1 2018, UK government debt amounted to £1.78 trillion, or 86.58% of total GDP, at which time the annual cost of servicing (paying the interest) the public debt amounted to around £48 billion (which is roughly 4% of GDP or 8% of UK government tax income).

sweetsomethings · 17/08/2018 23:08

I think some people forget that it isn’t the governments money that is getting paid to those who don’t deserve it . It’s our hard earned taxes. I hate that people see it as a victimless crime and getting one up on the government.

Hayles88 · 17/08/2018 23:19

pasttimes11

No it doesn't deprive the treasury, because the money is there anyway. If they weren't fraudung they'd still have to pay it out.

Oh dear. This is embarrassing. Do you not understand how much national debt we as a country are in? It's not just a big bank account sat there for benefits and they have to pay it out left right and centre no matter what until that bits used up. That's not how our economy works. Money saved each year by cutting fraudulent claims/getting long term claimers into work can then be put to use in other ways, cut our crippling debt, go in to the NHS budget etc etc.

pasttimes11 · 17/08/2018 23:20

laurie to the people on the benefits of course. The worst offenders are tax avoiders, often the rich and famous, but i guess they don't get the hatred. *
mrscholly any money that is fraudulently claimed is a drop in the ocean to what the government is stealing from rightful claimants with their inhumane "sanctions", but what the hell, national debt? let's punish the poor and make them pay.....
Anyway i've better things to do than argue the toss with people who obviously have a deep hatred of benefit claimants and who probably agree with the government regarding their heartless Universal credit, sanctions, food banks and all the rest of the disgusting policies against the poor. Lack of empathy is an awful trait. Good night.

MrsChollySawcutt · 17/08/2018 23:23

Pasttimes being realistic about the national debt does not make me a benefit basher. I'm not.

I'm also not naive enough to believe that there's a pot of magic money freely available with no consequences for spending it.

Good night.

BrewDoggy · 17/08/2018 23:37

This is MN. Stealing is Ok here if you are poor. And if you have a bit of money you'd better give it to the scroungers.

Ok enough joking. REPORT!!

sweetsomethings · 17/08/2018 23:43

Pastimes you are acting like reporting benefit fraud was something the conservatives came up with. It’s always been a massive problem in this country and we have always been encouraged to report the fraud as we all should . Under labour or conservatives makes no difference .

TattyTshirt · 18/08/2018 01:08

Pastimes for PM I say....Then we can all give up our jobs and live well from her magic money tree.

fontofnoknowledge · 18/08/2018 06:37

*Pastimes
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*No it isn't the scammers who will tear it apart, it's this conservative government, and it's doing a damn good job of it. How can anyone be proud of a country that allows so many vulnerable people to become homeless, cut off without a penny, often through no fault of their own.

God help the vulnerable, the poor, the disabled of this country, because the government don't give a toss.*

As a card carrying member of the Labour Party I was going to come back and argue the utter bollocks you are talking but reading your subsequent posts makes me realise that you can't debate economics and the merits of the welfare state with someone who thinks the state finances come from the end of the rainbow.

So yes - I am hugely proud that we have a welfare state. Try living in a country with nothing, where people do die on the streets for want of a state health and welfare system and you might also start to appreciate what we have - and be equally angry at people who defraud by stealing your own tax contributions.

pasttimes11 · 18/08/2018 09:27

The "magic money tree" gives out 13.3 billion in foreign aid every year.

pasttimes11 · 18/08/2018 09:47

Btw, people ARE dying on the streets, and homelessness is growing. There's no need for it.

Jackfruitburger · 18/08/2018 10:07

@pasttimes11 I'm with you, don't waste your energy. They're too stupid to see that this is exactly what the powers that be want, we're too busy blaming the woman down the road who collects a bit of scrap metal that we don't notice that the man that owns Cadbury paid no UK corporation tax last year.

pasttimes11 · 18/08/2018 10:17

Thanks Jack, felt alone there. It's true what you say, and the government has done a good job in vilifying people on benefits. The money spent on welfare is only a small percentage of government expenditure, if they put the same resources into chasing up the big corporations as they do on the hard up man on the street the savings would be colossal.

Jackfruitburger · 18/08/2018 10:20

@pasttimes11 just scary that this is what the majority think. It's just like the transphobic threads where I feel so alienated. I don't think Mumsnet is the place for me.

sweetsomethings · 18/08/2018 10:28

Tatty I will live off that magic tree too please.

pasttimes11 · 18/08/2018 10:34

jack I just feel that a lot of people lack empathy. People only identify with people on the same level as themselves. They also lack the foresight to see the big picture. It's very easy to fall on hard times, then they'll see that our welfare state isn't something to be proud of at all anymore.

It's horrific how vulnerable people are treated. I get far more angry over the governments callous indifference to poor people than to some poor sod doing a bit of dog walking or scrap metal dealing on the side.

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 18/08/2018 10:35

I have no truck with people committing benefit fraud. I would happily report it BUT the OP has posted nothing to show that this person IS committing that fraud. The woman has a couple of jobs, she might still not be bringing in much and need some top ups. We don’t know and even the OP doesn’t seem sure BUT she has happily reported this woman who might struggle while the resulting investigation is carried out.

I’ve seen the other side of that as a Carer so I LOATHE people who do this without being sure of their facts.

By all means if you can see someone blatantly defrauding the system then go ahead. But if you are not sure then wind your neck in until you are.

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 18/08/2018 10:46

Loads of people lack empathy because they have swallowed hook line and sinker all the propaganda. Usually because they are too thick to see though it.

They don’t work in my job and pick up the pieces when someone is maliciously accused. In the case of my client it took three weeks...not terribly long and it was backdated but in the three weeks it took she was in a dreadful state. We are talking of a woman in a wheelchair with two children to feed and bills to pay who suddenly didn’t have the money she needed. I bought food for them and also got the local Food bank involved so nobody starved.

Mentally though it was debilitating for her which is shit. That’s what you are condemning someone to when you report them.

You can say “but if it’s fraud” until you are blue in the face. The results of reporting are real hardship for the genuine though.

pasttimes11 · 18/08/2018 10:49

Tatty I will live off that magic tree too please.
It's only available for fighting wars, foreign aid, the royal family, and any huge tax avoiding corporation. Doubt you'd qualify.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 18/08/2018 10:49

Well OP did that make you feel any better? Has it made your life any better?

If not maybe you should carry on the theme maybe report her to SS and get her kids removed I mean if you're going to do shitty thing you might as well go all out and ruin her life then you can be considered just as shit as she was to you Smile

Love to see the 'if your doing nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide' brigade are here, fucking gingham fascists

Madein1995 · 18/08/2018 11:24

Oh FFS. Reporting benefit fraud does NOT mean someone hates it looks down on benefit claimants. It doesn't mean someone agrees with the food banks, sanctions and utterly stupid red tape and inefficiency surrounding benefits. It just means that someone believes in the basic principle that people who steal, should face consequences.

Corporations and Gary Barlow are the same and just because they get away with not paying so much tax as they should, does not make it OK for someone else to swindle the system. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I actually find the comments on threads Likr this laughable. You get everyone jumping on, bleating on about the government, and how it's OK to commit henefit fraud. Any other form of stealing and you'd be vilified - I've seen threads on here where toddlers have slipped a pack of sweets in the bag while shopping and mums been told off for not watching properly! Yet benefit fraud - the person who's potentially doing the fraud is innocent and the person reporting is always vindictive, jealous, mean spirited and lacking empathy.

There's been fraud investigators on here telling people that payments aren't suspended willy nilly. Yet no one listens.

And I'm sorry but blaming the OP for the children's struggle if mums benefits get stopped?! If they get stopped, as posters who know have said, it will be a carefully considered decision. If as a result mum struggles to feed the kids - well that is terrible for the kids and I have every sympathy for them - but it's not the systems fault or the ops fault. It is the fault of their parent who committed fraud without thinking of the consequences. People need to take responsibility for their actions.

Honestly, get a grip. The attitudes in this thread are so unlike rl.

Oh and I do have empathy. Yesterday I phoned a claimant (simple query) and got a mouthful of abuse and swearing. He ranted about his dla being stopped and hung up on me. Rather than just say 'his problem' as I'd have been perfectly entitled to, I looked into his case, found out what was going on, and that he'd been unsuspended and when his next payment was. I rang back and left s message with his support worker. That took 20mins of my time with no reflection on my work completed. I didn't have to do that, especially after the way he was on the phone. Yet I did.

Because even though the government is a bit Shit, the people who work within it (at least the ones I know), the 'little people' - not the higher ups - actually do care about people. We don't want to sanction people for no reason, we're not heartless. We do the best we can in a shit system
And damn right that fraudsters make things harder - colleagues (ones who've worked here longer, not on my team) are a bit more cynical. Because they've had 20years of seeing fraudsters and that would affect most people's attitudes. Fraudsters make things difficult for genuine claimants, Eben if it's just attitudes

sweetsomethings · 18/08/2018 11:30

Pastimes you are so wrong we dont have empathy don’t make me laugh. I both have a minimum wage job and receive benefits so you will need to try again with that one . Doesn’t mean that I will stand back and watch people claim my hard earned taxes on the side .

BrewDoggy · 18/08/2018 11:35

ALL benefit claimants including those who dont need or deserve it are saints dont you know? People dying on the street? Get a fucking grip. If anything it is a very small number and many homeless are homeless by choice. I've lived in a third world country where that actually happens unlike in the Uk. And those street people there certainly can't afford fags or tattoos or drugs. They have my sympathy. Not some rude aggressive entitled lazy shitheads.

TillyTadpole · 18/08/2018 11:36

Btw, people ARE dying on the streets, and homelessness is growing. There's no need for it

Yet you think it's ok for people to steal the money that should be going to support the people who need it? How bizzare! 🙈🙉🙊