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To be annoyed I’m having to fight so hard to have an elective caesarean?

414 replies

OutPinked · 16/08/2018 09:59

Basically, after three 10lb babies, my uterus has understandably lost its tone. I am 28 weeks with my fourth and final baby but measuring 32 weeks. I’ve been referred for a growth scan which will be utterly pointless as they always are. They’ll confirm he’s a big baby then do nothing with that information because there’s not really much they can do. Passed GTT with flying colours and I’m not obese, it’s just genetics.

First delivery was shoulder dystocia with emergency forceps and an extended episiotomy. Stitches burst open and became infected, I was in agony for weeks. Second delivery was retained placenta and huge PPH, again I was rushed down to theatre then later given two blood transfusions. It still took me weeks to recover and feel human again. Third delivery went ok but I needed an injection to stem the bleed.

Last year I had medical management for a missed miscarriage. Had a massive haemmorhage, went into shock, fell unconscious and needed emergency surgery+ a blood transfusion. Again, it took me weeks to feel human and I was on iron tablets for months.

DP can’t face the trauma of seeing me nearly die again and I can’t face the trauma of doctors piling in from all angles, jumping on top of me and being rushed down to theatre either. We’ve both decided an elective caesarean is safest. There’s no risk to future pregnancies because there won’t be any. If I do start to haemorrhage again, at least I’m already in theatre surrounded by medics who will immediately be on top of it.
It just seems far more calm and controlled and to me, is an absolute no brainer.

However, I have now seen two consultants who have tried their upmost to deter me. I’ve had almost pointless risk factors thrown in my face (pointless because there’s more chance of dying in a car accident but that won’t stop me driving). I’ve been told that I may bleed more after a CS and when I’ve explained the fact its still safer than risking that blood loss after a ‘natural’ delivery they shoot me down by saying they will still be on hand if it happens after a natural delivery. They don’t seem to grasp that I don’t want them to have to rush in from all angles, I want them to just be there from the off. They also try to deter me by mentioning recovery time forgetting how long it took me to recover after my first and second deliveries as well as the MMC last year.

After yesterday’s consultant appointment, I now have to see an ‘expert midwife’ to ‘discuss birth options’ Hmm. Seems ridiculously patronising because my mind is evidently made up but it’s just another hoop to jump through... then I will have to see the consultant again if it’s still what I want (it will be). Argh! To me, it’s just another example of women not being trusted to make the right decision for their own body and I’m tired of it. It’s irritating they reserve so much energy to warn women of risk factors during a caesarean but never ever warn them of what can go wrong during a ‘natural delivery’ too.

OP posts:
Haworthia · 16/08/2018 19:25

And if the NHS spending money for “vanity” is wrong, then women shouldn’t get boob jobs on the NHS (I know someone who successfully argued that having no boobs was terrible for her mental gealth), and teenagers shouldn’t get orthodontic work, and, and...

BITCAT · 16/08/2018 19:28

OutPinked i would say we are all scared especially first timers but it shouldnt be the norm to just dole out c sections willy nilly so yes checks and talking does need to be done. It is after all an op and will take longer to recover from. After baby four i was up putting my washing on within 30 mins..you wouldnt be able to do that with a c section. Individual assessments need to be done but i do hope the OP get her c section as it sounds as though its far less risky, less stressful and safer.

RayneDance · 16/08/2018 19:29

Op I can't belive after your experiences any consultants is putting you through this awful stress.

I guess as someone pointed out to me medics are scientists.

RayneDance · 16/08/2018 19:30

Bitcat what strange posts.

StarfishSandwich · 16/08/2018 19:31

I was fully prepared to say YABU because some people just seem to think of an LSCS as the easy option but given your history I would have thought that it was guaranteed so no YANBU at all.

delphguelph · 16/08/2018 19:32

After baby four i was up putting my washing on within 30 mins..

^
Ok, I'll bite. Literally after 30 mins you put a wash on? Really?

Weren't you busy with baby already?

BITCAT · 16/08/2018 19:33

Haworthia i dont believe boob jobs should be done on the nhs unless its reconstructive for cancer patients.
There isnt an endless pot of money for nhs..
Orthodontic work is not just vanity...can cause eating problems, cleaning issues and speech problems.

emma2939 · 16/08/2018 19:34

I can't believe how they are being so awkward about a CS for you!! Keep fighting OP.

I've had both a vaginal and an elective CS, one of each. My vaginal gave me a fourth degree tear, needed blood transfusions, physio, 3 nights in hospital, problems having sexual relations for well over a year, problems going the toilet back end, the list goes on.
I met with consultant and his secretary during my second pregnancy, and they saw my notes and ASKED if I would like a CS this time round, I was ready for screaming and kicking my feet to fight for one!!

I find myself feeling so lucky when I read posts like yourselves and see how hard women have to fight for this choice, it's makes me sad how at such an important time, they are not giving you control over your own body.

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 16/08/2018 19:36

After baby four i was up putting my washing on within 30 mins..you wouldnt be able to do that with a c section

This adds no weight to your argument whatsoever since the vast majority of women who have vaginal births wouldn't be able to do this either.

BITCAT · 16/08/2018 19:38

delphguelph nope she was being held by my son and i had her at home. I also had mil and partner and the other children there. It was 3.30pm still had to sort kids lunches and uniforms for the next day..plus my bedding was wet..as my water broke on it so needed to put a wash on.
Like i said though i feel those who truly are in medical need or have suffered previous trauma then fair enough it should be up to them. But not an automatic right to just anyone.

BlairWaldorfsHeadband · 16/08/2018 19:39

It is after all an op and will take longer to recover from. After baby four i was up putting my washing on within 30 mins..

And after my cesarean I was back to normal pretty much instantly. Took about two days to recover from, which is as quick as the average vag birth, if not quicker considering I didn’t have stitches burning when I weed or anything like that.

lowtide · 16/08/2018 19:40

Well then you’re a mug!! And you have a shit husband! Thank god the ops dh loves her enough not to risk her dying.
God you’re like the old lady that says “my old man knocked me about and I still made him a full roast every day, wot you all complaining about”

BlairWaldorfsHeadband · 16/08/2018 19:40

But not an automatic right to just anyone.

Then you shouldn’t have an automatic right to a home birth. Is that okay? No?

BITCAT · 16/08/2018 19:40

MinisterforCheekyFuckery i disagree many women do. Some go straight back to work after a delivery. A straight forward delivery with no problems a woman would absolutely be able to do so.

BITCAT · 16/08/2018 19:42

I dont have an automatic right to a home birth..its based on previous deliveries and risk factors....if i had been high risk they wouldnt have entertained it at all.

BlairWaldorfsHeadband · 16/08/2018 19:43

90% of women tear, so no, most wouldn’t be up in 30 minutes.

BlairWaldorfsHeadband · 16/08/2018 19:43

I dont have an automatic right to a home birth

Every woman has the right to choose a home birth whether is her first or ninth baby...so yes, you do.

OutPinked · 16/08/2018 19:45

It’s a small sample but the women I know that have had a caesarean recovered quicker than I did after my first two deliveries. They were also in less pain. Obviously it won’t be the same for every woman but in those cases, it was.

Also my DP can be in charge of doing the washing.

OP posts:
OutPinked · 16/08/2018 19:48

I’m so glad things were straight forward for you the second time emma. I’m glad not every woman is put through the ringer like this, it is quite stressful at a time when I really don’t need it.

I’m going for the growth scan tomorrow afternoon. They phoned me up today making out like it was an emergency situation Hmm. They know I’ve had three previous large babies so I don’t know why they always expect something will suddenly change and I’ll end up randomly popping out a 6lber. Still, it might better my argument for having an ELCS.

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BITCAT · 16/08/2018 19:48

Actually lowtide he was out fetching our tea and i have ocd, so it wouldnt wait..the mil asked me what the hell i was doing!
My opinion is my opinion. I dont expect everyone to agree. And ive already stated those who genuinely need a c section should get it no questions.

bertielab · 16/08/2018 19:52

You need to find someone supportive of your decision. If necessary change hospitals.

I did have my first DC early due to health complications by emergency CS.
I found everyone supportive.
For my second pregnancy a different hospital suggested a vag birth -I looked at them like they had two heads. They continued.
I moved hospitals (due to them nearly killing me -bút that's a whole other story) but once I explained what had happened first time around to second hospital a CS early was the only option and everyone agreed.
Can you speak to your GP?

BITCAT · 16/08/2018 19:54

BlairWaldorfsHeadband, i tore with my first..i was still up and about had a bath..walked around the ward..etc
Those women that give birth and go back in the fields cotton picking in minutes i suspect some of them may have torn. Yes its painful but due to my apparent ocd i couldnt not do it.
And its not an automatic right to homebirth..some areas wont do it due to lack of resources or if you are considered high risk..so any problems they wont do it.
No matter how much i wanted it..if i had say diabetes then it wouldnt be allowed.

BlairWaldorfsHeadband · 16/08/2018 19:57

No one can disallow you from a homebirth, you can simply choose to give birth at home by not going in to hospital.

It takes time to get stitched up. So you can’t be up instantly. I was walking around after my cesarean, and recovered faster than most people who had had a natural birth.

I had a cesarean because I wanted one. I do not want to give birth vaginally, and my choice should be respected. It’s my body.

hairymoragthebampot · 16/08/2018 19:57

I have had two natural and last two were c sections and a missed miscarriage at 20 weeks between my 2nd and 3rd. I am not a fan of C sections and definitely recovered quicker from natural births. However after having a missed miscarriage which was very traumatic I was very anxious with pregnancy no 3. Hadn't really thought of a C section until I had a scan due to being over due. They estimated his weight at 10lb 4. Gave me all the flannel about it not being accurate, pros and cons etc. I wasn't having it and to be honest after having a big baby before and a missed miscarriage I just wasn't willing to take the risk. Saw two male consultants, both rambled all the risks and did the ' you have had two natural births before' nonsense. Put my foot down and got booked in for the elective 12 days over due. My son was 11lb 4. They all agreed including the consultant who delivered him (who was one of the ones trying to get me to go natural) that I had made the right decision. With DC4 I only had one artery in the placenta and was older too and decided on sections and sterlisation at the same time. You have done your homework so stick to your guns and tell them you want a section. Don't take no for an answer.

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 16/08/2018 19:57

You seriously believe that "many" women are up and doing their housework 30 minutes after a vaginal birth?

What a ridiculous statement.