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"There's a pony in there somewhere". Trump con't

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AcrossthePond55 · 16/08/2018 00:12

Title based on what a college professor used to tell us when the going got tough.

"Just remember when you're standing shoulder deep in horse shit, there's a pony in there somewhere. So just keep digging".

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lionheart · 24/08/2018 09:20

Wow cozie--I didn't know pecker was a thing here. Smile

thehill.com/policy/national-security/402983-prosecutors-trump-used-sham-invoices-to-mask-payments-to-cohen

PerkingFaintly · 24/08/2018 09:43

From that Gary Younge piece in the Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/24/donald-trump-voters-impeachment-legal
When I went back a year after his inauguration they still didn’t like him that much. “He just keeps opening his mouth and spews out word-vomit and I cringe,” said one. “He’s completely embarrassed the United States more than a handful of times.” “He’s like your drunk uncle at a party,” said another.

But to a person they thought he was doing a good job, pointing to his tax cuts, deregulation, supreme court nominations and stock market highs as evidence. As one woman put it: “He wouldn’t be someone I’d want to socialise with. I don’t appreciate his bad manners and his bullying. But I do appreciate his business and negotiating skills.” It was as though they had elected not a president but a CEO, and felt that you don’t have to like your boss so long as he keeps the company healthy. As Cathy De Grazia told the BBC: “I don’t care if he paid off a porn star or a Playboy bunny, that doesn’t impact his policymaking.”

This is new. The issue of “character” used to be key in US presidential elections, even if it was so extensively curated and carefully manipulated that Bush Jr emerged as the man people most wanted to have a drink with even though he was a teetotal recovering alcoholic. The fact that Trump could win despite boasting about sexual assault and his brazen appeals to racism illustrates that he did not create this state of affairs, but is a product of them.

That’s why comparisons to Nixon and Watergate miss the mark. If, in the 1970s, there had been Fox News seemingly acting as Nixon’s private channel and Facebook to disseminate whatever version of reality you like to those who think like you, then there probably would have been no Watergate.

ohmymimi · 24/08/2018 09:43

O'Donnell: worth watching it if only for the handover chat with RM on tax fraud, but it is all good:

ohmymimi · 24/08/2018 09:47

PS - Lawrence O. should add 'King Midas in Reverse' to his 'Trump: the Musical ' playlist.

ohmymimi · 24/08/2018 09:59

That Gary Younge piece is on it, Perking. The erosion is longstanding and deep, over here as well. Thatcher and Reagan both instrumental in this toxic legacy. And Murdoch let loose, delivered the poison right into the living rooms of the willing (already ring-nosed by right wing press), and the ignorant and the unwary.

Gumpendorf · 24/08/2018 10:04

Education Secretary Considers Using Federal Funds to Arm Schools https://nyti.ms/2ByojkJ?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Meanwhile and while we are distracted elsewhere. Betsy wants schools to buy guns not books or stuff Sad

ohmymimi · 24/08/2018 10:17

Jill W-B's latest pins:
www.jillwinebanks.com/jills-pins/

Gumpendorf · 24/08/2018 10:22

Yup, Gary Younge sums it up.

It's going to be a rollercoaster for 2+ more years, but I think the most we can hope for is a blue wave in the mid terms and more scrutiny of the Oaf.

The danger of a 2018 blue wave is that it will likely bring stalemate to Congress and add fuel to Trump's cries of Dem obstruction. 2020 voters might think Trump unscrutinised is better for them financially than Trump held to account.

Will Trump supporters change their minds if Mueller can show that the Trump campaign did collude -via Stone, the Trump Tower meeting and Cohen paying off hackers? Possibly but it's by no means certain.

Unless there is a recession or a bank collapse or something that shows these people that his famed deal making is affecting their finances, he will survive.

I'm also thinking we need to bring these threads together better so we can track how thinking changes over the duration of this presidency. Smile

PerkingFaintly · 24/08/2018 10:26

mimi's Atlantic article is also illuminating:

Why Trump Supporters Believe He Is Not Corrupt
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/

Cohen’s admission highlights one of the enduring riddles of the Trump era. Trump’s supporters say they care about corruption. During the campaign, they cheered his vow to “drain the swamp” in Washington, D.C. When Morning Consult asked Americans in May 2016 to explain why they disliked Hillary Clinton, the second-most-common answer was that she was “corrupt.” And yet, Trump supporters appear largely unfazed by the mounting evidence that Trump is the least ethical president in modern American history. When asked last month whether they considered Trump corrupt, only 14 percent of Republicans said yes. Even Cohen’s allegation is unlikely to change that.

The answer may lie in how Trump and his supporters define corruption. In a forthcoming book titled How Fascism Works, the Yale philosophy professor Jason Stanley makes an intriguing claim. “Corruption, to the fascist politician,” he suggests, “is really about the corruption of purity rather than of the law. Officially, the fascist politician’s denunciations of corruption sound like a denunciation of political corruption. But such talk is intended to evoke corruption in the sense of the usurpation of the traditional order.”
[...]
When Trump instructed Cohen to pay off women with whom he’d had affairs, he may have been violating the law. But he was upholding traditional gender and class hierarchies. Since time immemorial, powerful men have been cheating on their wives and using their power to evade the consequences.

The Iowa murder, by contrast, signifies the inversion—the corruption—of that “traditional order.” Throughout American history, few notions have been as sacrosanct as the belief that white women must be protected from nonwhite men. By allegedly murdering Tibbetts, Rivera did not merely violate the law. He did something more subversive: He violated America’s traditional racial and sexual norms.
[...]
For many Republicans, Trump remains uncorrupt—indeed, anticorrupt—because what they fear most isn’t the corruption of American law; it’s the corruption of America’s traditional identity. And in the struggle against that form of corruption—the kind embodied by Cristhian Rivera—Trump isn’t the problem. He’s the solution.

ohmymimi · 24/08/2018 10:35

Wow cozie--I didn't know pecker was a thing here
Sheltered life, lion ? WinkGrin

ohmymimi · 24/08/2018 10:40

what they fear most isn’t the corruption of American law; it’s the corruption of America’s traditional identity
That is their blinkered view of the traditional identity of America, Perking

Lweji · 24/08/2018 10:40

Colbert may have done some jokes about it earlier on...

Gumpendorf · 24/08/2018 10:42

That Atlantic article is very illuminating. Thanks mimi and Perking.

Identity .. it crept in under the radar didn't it.

Peckerwatch: 'Keep your pecker up' often heard in my part of UK. Grin

lionheart · 24/08/2018 10:45

Must be it, cozie. Smile

I often think that Hillary was undone by a series of dicks, starting with her husband's.

Murdoch is pernicious.

PerkingFaintly · 24/08/2018 10:45

Yes, of course, ohmymimi. It goes along with, the saying that if you've always had privilege, equality feels like oppression.

There isn't a moral basis for this "traditional identity", but there's a very powerful emotional one, plus a whole structure of vested interest.

lionheart · 24/08/2018 10:47

I guess the fact that his base is that way means Mueller and the lawcourts must prevail.

PerkingFaintly · 24/08/2018 10:49

So tapping it will enable you to get elected, to do whatever you like as long as you don't transgress the "traditional identity".

If Trump were found to have sexually assaulted a white man, for example, he'd be toast.

Gumpendorf · 24/08/2018 10:49

lion Grin

Perihelion · 24/08/2018 10:53

Am not surprised about the National Enquirer safe as I have heard about the News International safe ( friend of DH, who has been employed at a high level there ).

It contains evidence of the most shocking and salacious stories which have been sat on ( sometimes as the evidence has been gained illegally ) to create leverage with those involved.

I've always wondered what Murdoch has on Trump, who he may have already shared it with and what pressure he applies to Trump. With Murdoch's organisations it's hard to decide whether they are "king makers" or just very good a cashing in on the populist mood. Trump serves Fox ratings atm, but that could change.

lionheart · 24/08/2018 10:53

I didn't know it meant that though Gum.

It's a bit early in the day for penis-talk. Shock

lionheart · 24/08/2018 10:55

My google search history is starting to look odd.

www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/217400.html

Gumpendorf · 24/08/2018 10:56

I couldn't resist: Maddow.

Pecker's past practice puts POTUS in a pickle, precludes Pulitzer.

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/pecker-s-past-practice-puts-potus-in-a-pickle-precludes-pulitzer-1305437251712

lionheart · 24/08/2018 10:58

I was thinking about that yesterday Peri. I assumed that the Russians had the GOP dirt because of hacking but it doesn't have to be them, does it?

Difficult to explain the behaviour of certain GOP representatives. Lindsey Graham is one whose name keeps coming up.