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To remind PIL about my parents favor upon them?

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ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 10:35

Hi all,

So this will be a weird post about the wierd work of fate.

My grandad was a friend of mother in law’s mum, and back in the days when grandma in law fell in love and distance was an issue, my grandad who is a merchant went and found her now diceased husband in another country and searched for many days for him (they were both love birds that had war take them apart). Anyway on my grandads journey he was humiliated and imprisoned as he travelled on the ship and roads and crossed borders which had political problems.

Now mil, who is a family friend of my mums ... was facing problems dating. She was facing racism in the country she was in. My father who was married to my mother, in a funny turn out of event ... introduced her to his friend and convinced him of what an amazing lady she is and bla bla ... which my father still thinks. They ended up married. And had their dc, my husband included.

Now few years down the line, my grandad became old and his logic became a bit elderly. My father, faced atrocious human rights against him and suffers from emotional trauma and so behaves unpredictably- some could interpret it as socially incorrect and take offence. However everyone is aware of his ptsd.

During those events the relationship between mil and grandad , father in law and Dad... became a bit distant. Understandably.

Anyhow... I in turn, had tremendous issues dating. Broke up few times with people. I seemed advice from mil who was a occasionally visiting . And my now husband was dating my friends sister- who I introduced him to. In the meanwhile while I was helping him, I got to know him a bit on a personal level.

We were both in relationships and had no interest in each other. We both ended up breaking up our relationships and still had no interest in each other. However, one funny turn out of events and we ended up a bit in love 😂. I did not want to go ahead with the relationship and resisted for a year because I felt the tensions between our families could make things awkward.. . my mil and fil Had a good hand in trying to get things on track .. they also tried to resume their tight friendship with Dad (they had become a bit formal) but dad was in his own world of ptsd and wasn’t interested . But he realised that me and husband were destined together and was nice to my husband and respected parents in law from a distance.

So back to parents in law. Ofcourse At the beginning we had the best relationship with in laws. Since they’re friends first. Despite the distance due to geographic locations , they were good old friends of my parents. However, it quickly turned sour as they know a bit too much about me and when insecurities kicked in for whatever reason, or when they felt uncomfortable by my dad, I found out that they were bringing up my family background quite a lot and it almost seems that they see it as a reflection of my worth as a daughter in law. They keep bringing it up to my husband.

A good relationship turned very sour when I felt that behind closed doors, behind the friendly faces, there was actually huge resentment towards my grandad and my dad by parents in law. Which was understandable to some extent but they lost respect for me as a result. The undermining comments became a bit too much for me to bear. And knowing that my husband was being told these things at every single conversation, made me feel looked down upon.

It hurt so bad that it affected my relationship with parents in law and became very distant. Which they obviously don’t like and are confused by since we were tight.

It’s hard for me to hurt them like this... I did love them dearly as they have been in my life since I was a child, as respected friends of my parents. but I feel they do not realise the effects of their actions on me. Especially that mother in law tries to justify her very condescending and judgemental behaviour in recent years towards me, by referring back to my paternal and grandpaternal history. She has been kind to me in certain ways, genorosity being the main one .. but I can’t help but feel this doesn’t compensate for the disrespect I feel when it comes to her attitude and gossip about my family.

My husband loves my parents, but he also recognises that his mother is annoyed with my father and grandad for good reasons. in my eyes there is never a reason to disrespect someone behind their back but I also understand why she would be annoyed by certain behaviour in more recent years. My parents really respect pil and have no idea what kind of things is being said about them.. but they might have behaved in a way that parents in law consider to be negligent and so that unleashed a whole loads of historic resentment mixed up with jealousy and god it’s awful to have realized so late. I was the unfortunate one to discover..

My husband was caught in the middle for a while and so one day I reminded him how my family deserve his families respect ... and reminded him how he wouldn’t be born if it wasn’t for my grandad and Dad.. sounded cheesy at first but it really did hit a chord and he changed his attitude towards my family in that he no longer lets one or two events define the respect they deserve.

So at times I wonder, whether it is polite at all, to remind my condescending mother in law and father in law, who both retaliated by taking frustrations out on me and putting me down infront of their surroundings.. I wonder if it’s polite to remind her - in a nice way- that she wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for my grandad .. and her beloved son wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for my dad.

I do hope I don’t sound rude.. but I feel my dignity was very much hurt in many ways as I was Definately treated as if they’re too good for me bla bla. I have never had any conversation about my feelings with parents in law as they’re not the type that value feelings and I feel like if I open up my heart they will rip it to shreds.

But I do wish I could go back to have a normal relationship with them for the good of my child and husband ... I want to have a conversation with them but I don’t want to come from a vulnerable position as they keep reminding me of how it is good of them that they convinced their son to marry me.. and I don’t like that they look down at me which I’m very conscious of and I feel if I remind them

Would it be unreasonable if I use it as a conversation starter. Right now I’m very limited contact with them, they know I’m deeply hurt about what they’ve been saying .. I want to air out my feelings so they understand what they put me through. Because they say they loved me and are confused why I’m distant ... but to me it’s unloving to be this hurtful to my feelings ... but I feel perhaps they didn’t know the impact.

However I don’t want to sound weak. I don’t want to sound like pitiful as that will make them look down on me more as they seem to want to do that.

I feel like bringing up the favours of my parents on them, will do just that... show them that I’m airing out my feelings but not because I need their pitty but rather to get them to understand.

Sorry for the long vent.

Would I be unreasonable ? Is that spiteful? I feel like mil will think I’m spitefully putting her in her place but to me I feel it’s simply to set the records straight about how they’re remembering the weakness of my parents and forgetting the huge good staring at their faces.

Anyway,, AIBU??

Don’t hate me

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Fishface77 · 15/08/2018 10:40

Wow. Sounds like a film.
Too long to read is there a summary?

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 10:44

😂

Fishface lol.

I needed to explain the context to get some valuable input as relationships are complex you see ..

Summary is , my mil is condescending towards me because of some things my parents did to her. However both Dad and grandad were the reason why her parents met and how she met her husband. And I feel like bringing that point up the next time her and fil use my parents behaviour against me ... and wanted to know whether that is rude.

I can assure you the story is very true 😂😂

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MakeItRain · 15/08/2018 10:50

I don't know that I would bring it up in the way you describe. Maybe remind them in a "I've been researching my family" way and love the stories of how grandad helped mil's mum get together with her husband, and the part dad had to play getting mil and fil together".
But I wouldn't do it in an aggressive "you wouldn't be alive if it weren't for them way". I don't think they would turn round and see the error of their ways and it might just make things worse.
You come across as quite unhappy in your post though, and I wonder if you need to first spend some time thinking about yourself and how you feel about all your family relationships. It sounds like what your dad is going through for example must be really hard for you. Counselling isn't for everyone but I found it really helped me (as in changed my life) to explore why I reacted to everything like I did. Failing that spend time with good friends and talk things through with them. Flowers

Apileofballyhoo · 15/08/2018 10:54

I suppose you could remind them, but tbh I wouldn't feel any huge gratitude to someone who introduced my parents. Somebody that undertook a dangerous journey to find my father/grandfather, I would feel gratitude there.

But I would be cautious about forgiving unacceptable behaviour if it meant I had to be prepared to accept that behaviour over and over again.

Your post isn't the clearest and it's very hard to tell what exactly your Dad and Grandad did that upset your in laws so much. If they are still commenting on it etc, it must have been extremely distressing. Unless they are horrible people who can't tolerate anything out of the ordinary without cutting people off?

SisterNotCisTerf · 15/08/2018 10:55

Loooooong!!!

MyOtherProfile · 15/08/2018 10:55

I would try to get your relationship with your ILs into the present tense. Soover t away from what your grandad did for them and whatever your parents did to them. Try to make it about you and them today can their son and grandchild. And enlist your husbands help on this.

Bluntness100 · 15/08/2018 11:00

What did uour parents do to her exactly? This seems to be skimmed over.

And is there a cultural issue here?

Bluelady · 15/08/2018 11:02

Sorry, I couldn't read that.

ReservoirDogs · 15/08/2018 11:06

I suspect if someone said to me that if it weren't for X (who has done something bad (?) to you) you wouldn't be alive I'd just roll my eyes.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 15/08/2018 11:17

Bottom line, it’s unfair to hold you to account for actions your parents and grandparents took.

She can dislike and disrespect them all she wants, but she should like or dislike you based on your relative merits or faults. It is especially unfair that her son’s happiness with you should trump the actions of your ancestors.

Oldraver · 15/08/2018 11:18

It depends on just what you parents have 'wronged' you MIL as to whether she wanst to be friend with them or badmouth.

Though either way she shouldn't take it out on you

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 15/08/2018 11:19

I think if they bring up your failings or are mean or whatever and are linking it back to your grandfather and fathers actions then it’s perfectly ok to judge them back in the same way with ‘you wouldn’t even be here if it weren’t for them’.

That’s unlikely to foster any goodwill though so I wouldn’t.

Fishface77 · 15/08/2018 11:19

Then reading it like that ywbu.
You need to deal with your relationships with your in laws in your own stead if that makes sense. Not being up things your family have done or not done in the past.
However if they bring your family in to it then yes you could mention that.

FevertreeLight · 15/08/2018 11:21

Wow. Sounds like a film.

My thoughts as well. A long novel.

What exactly happened?
What outcome do you want?

onalongsabbatical · 15/08/2018 11:24

It's too long and complicated and has a lot of history. Go and see a therapist to unpack it. You won't get answers here.

nervousnails · 15/08/2018 11:30

TLTR

Loonoon · 15/08/2018 11:50

I don’t read the whole original thread but from what I picked up from it I think you would be unreasonable to remind them of this and also wasting your time. I think that the most you could achieve is shaming them or making them feel guilty/ungrateful which wouldn’tprobably improve your MILs attitude to them or you.

And it’s unreasonable to expect people to run their lives based on events that occurred before they were even born.

Your grandad sounds like an amazing and brave man.

Ignoramusgiganticus · 15/08/2018 12:23

If they pressurised you both to marry each other (wrong in itself)then they didn't have anything personal against you at the time.

so either
A. your actions since then has upset them
B. your parents actions since then has upset them.

How do you know the souring of your relationship is because of their parents? Have they said that directly? in which case you need to point out that they are not you, rather than bringing up the past.

Even if it is A, it doesn't mean that they are justified in their resentment as they sound very set in their ways (and culture?) but you could explore this as to how things have got to where they are. It might just be a clash of culture and/or age expectations. The modern world is very difficult for some communities to embrace.

I think you need to tell them to focus on the present and you as an individual and not keep bringing up the past and other peoples involvement in it - as do you.
But yes either continue low contact with them or decide to talk about the huge elephant in the room but concentrate on the present.

Clairetree1 · 15/08/2018 12:49

I really can't read that opening post, you need to summarise it if its relevant.

However, I really don't think any of it is relevant, is it?

Its all ancient history, no, you can't use it to win an argument with someone here and now.

forget it

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 18:20

Thanks all for your input. I will response later today.

But to answer few assumptions :

1- no this is not forced marriage ! On the contrary I explained that me and my husband were in love before marriage just that circumstances came in the way. We almost called things off but then we got some encouragement to rekindle things by my mum and his- who are friends.

2- I guess the outcome I want isn’t simply to create some form of respect where they don’t look down on me .. so they eventually they could be interested to hear me out as a person and stop judging me with an eye of prejudice like they are now. I feel like saying this to mil will disarm her from her flawed argument and she will think of things from a new angle .

3-I agree ancient history shouldn’t be relevant. It only became relevant because I feel I’m being judged by it. It never occurred to me until I realised I’m being discussed for how I will turn out like so and so from my family.

4- not sure if there is a cultural element to things. me and mil are different ethnicities. Both British but different upbringing etc which is what she usesagainst me . I don’t feel it’s relavant to what I’m asking though. I just want to know what’s morally acceptable not necessarily how she will perceive it culturally because i Just want to be fair but not interested to bend backwards for them or their cultural perspective.

5- long thread I know. Not sure why people comment on threads they don’t want to read 😂 the internet is full of people willing to offer their services and you can choose to exit the thread which takes less time than marking your presence with a comment that has no input !

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Bluntness100 · 15/08/2018 18:30

Op, I think the key point here is what did your parents do to her? You've still not responded to that, and it's a critical part of understanding if she's a right to be upset or not.

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 18:37

bluntness

Genuine question: can you explain to me why it’s a key point ?

I will get round to briefly explaining what they did but I somehow don’t see it as relevant at all on how I should be treated

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IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 15/08/2018 18:40

So they be bitching about you, your husband let them and they be pissed at you for being pissed at them for bitching about you?

Tell them to stop bitching about you and apologise and then maybe you can rebuild. Til then - they get nothin'.

You feel me?

nogrip · 15/08/2018 18:42

Got bored reading this

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 18:50

Incredibly sturdy

I feel ya sis :D

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