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To remind PIL about my parents favor upon them?

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ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 10:35

Hi all,

So this will be a weird post about the wierd work of fate.

My grandad was a friend of mother in law’s mum, and back in the days when grandma in law fell in love and distance was an issue, my grandad who is a merchant went and found her now diceased husband in another country and searched for many days for him (they were both love birds that had war take them apart). Anyway on my grandads journey he was humiliated and imprisoned as he travelled on the ship and roads and crossed borders which had political problems.

Now mil, who is a family friend of my mums ... was facing problems dating. She was facing racism in the country she was in. My father who was married to my mother, in a funny turn out of event ... introduced her to his friend and convinced him of what an amazing lady she is and bla bla ... which my father still thinks. They ended up married. And had their dc, my husband included.

Now few years down the line, my grandad became old and his logic became a bit elderly. My father, faced atrocious human rights against him and suffers from emotional trauma and so behaves unpredictably- some could interpret it as socially incorrect and take offence. However everyone is aware of his ptsd.

During those events the relationship between mil and grandad , father in law and Dad... became a bit distant. Understandably.

Anyhow... I in turn, had tremendous issues dating. Broke up few times with people. I seemed advice from mil who was a occasionally visiting . And my now husband was dating my friends sister- who I introduced him to. In the meanwhile while I was helping him, I got to know him a bit on a personal level.

We were both in relationships and had no interest in each other. We both ended up breaking up our relationships and still had no interest in each other. However, one funny turn out of events and we ended up a bit in love 😂. I did not want to go ahead with the relationship and resisted for a year because I felt the tensions between our families could make things awkward.. . my mil and fil Had a good hand in trying to get things on track .. they also tried to resume their tight friendship with Dad (they had become a bit formal) but dad was in his own world of ptsd and wasn’t interested . But he realised that me and husband were destined together and was nice to my husband and respected parents in law from a distance.

So back to parents in law. Ofcourse At the beginning we had the best relationship with in laws. Since they’re friends first. Despite the distance due to geographic locations , they were good old friends of my parents. However, it quickly turned sour as they know a bit too much about me and when insecurities kicked in for whatever reason, or when they felt uncomfortable by my dad, I found out that they were bringing up my family background quite a lot and it almost seems that they see it as a reflection of my worth as a daughter in law. They keep bringing it up to my husband.

A good relationship turned very sour when I felt that behind closed doors, behind the friendly faces, there was actually huge resentment towards my grandad and my dad by parents in law. Which was understandable to some extent but they lost respect for me as a result. The undermining comments became a bit too much for me to bear. And knowing that my husband was being told these things at every single conversation, made me feel looked down upon.

It hurt so bad that it affected my relationship with parents in law and became very distant. Which they obviously don’t like and are confused by since we were tight.

It’s hard for me to hurt them like this... I did love them dearly as they have been in my life since I was a child, as respected friends of my parents. but I feel they do not realise the effects of their actions on me. Especially that mother in law tries to justify her very condescending and judgemental behaviour in recent years towards me, by referring back to my paternal and grandpaternal history. She has been kind to me in certain ways, genorosity being the main one .. but I can’t help but feel this doesn’t compensate for the disrespect I feel when it comes to her attitude and gossip about my family.

My husband loves my parents, but he also recognises that his mother is annoyed with my father and grandad for good reasons. in my eyes there is never a reason to disrespect someone behind their back but I also understand why she would be annoyed by certain behaviour in more recent years. My parents really respect pil and have no idea what kind of things is being said about them.. but they might have behaved in a way that parents in law consider to be negligent and so that unleashed a whole loads of historic resentment mixed up with jealousy and god it’s awful to have realized so late. I was the unfortunate one to discover..

My husband was caught in the middle for a while and so one day I reminded him how my family deserve his families respect ... and reminded him how he wouldn’t be born if it wasn’t for my grandad and Dad.. sounded cheesy at first but it really did hit a chord and he changed his attitude towards my family in that he no longer lets one or two events define the respect they deserve.

So at times I wonder, whether it is polite at all, to remind my condescending mother in law and father in law, who both retaliated by taking frustrations out on me and putting me down infront of their surroundings.. I wonder if it’s polite to remind her - in a nice way- that she wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for my grandad .. and her beloved son wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for my dad.

I do hope I don’t sound rude.. but I feel my dignity was very much hurt in many ways as I was Definately treated as if they’re too good for me bla bla. I have never had any conversation about my feelings with parents in law as they’re not the type that value feelings and I feel like if I open up my heart they will rip it to shreds.

But I do wish I could go back to have a normal relationship with them for the good of my child and husband ... I want to have a conversation with them but I don’t want to come from a vulnerable position as they keep reminding me of how it is good of them that they convinced their son to marry me.. and I don’t like that they look down at me which I’m very conscious of and I feel if I remind them

Would it be unreasonable if I use it as a conversation starter. Right now I’m very limited contact with them, they know I’m deeply hurt about what they’ve been saying .. I want to air out my feelings so they understand what they put me through. Because they say they loved me and are confused why I’m distant ... but to me it’s unloving to be this hurtful to my feelings ... but I feel perhaps they didn’t know the impact.

However I don’t want to sound weak. I don’t want to sound like pitiful as that will make them look down on me more as they seem to want to do that.

I feel like bringing up the favours of my parents on them, will do just that... show them that I’m airing out my feelings but not because I need their pitty but rather to get them to understand.

Sorry for the long vent.

Would I be unreasonable ? Is that spiteful? I feel like mil will think I’m spitefully putting her in her place but to me I feel it’s simply to set the records straight about how they’re remembering the weakness of my parents and forgetting the huge good staring at their faces.

Anyway,, AIBU??

Don’t hate me

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Bluntness100 · 15/08/2018 18:56

Op it's important because you said they did things to her, we have no context here in terms of what that is or how it will impact her behaviour. Nor do we know if you were aware of what they were doing, and could have stopped it or not, or even were involved.

You tell us a shit ton of irrelevant information, like a shit ton, but for some reason you don't seem to want to tell us this.

Quartz2208 · 15/08/2018 19:12

I agree with the last couple of posts - you gloss over what actually your MIL is upset by which is important really in understanding the context and if she is being unreasonable or not to hold it against you.

bridgetreilly · 15/08/2018 19:18

I don't think talking to them about the past will have the effect you're hoping for OP.

The best advice I have is to be the best person you can be now in your relationship with them, and to make sure that your DH is on your side, and doesn't let them get away with putting you down at all ever. He could speak with them about their current attitude to you, and point out that you are not the same person as your father/grandfather and that they need to stop treating you this way.

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 21:43

bridgetreilly thanks for the advice. You are Definately right. It’s just I don’t feel I have it in me to be kind to someone who sees me as beneath them. Maybe I should approach it differently. But yes I should stick to being the best u can.

My DH relationship with his mother is very complicated and is resolving his own personal issues right now so couldn’t add this to his plate. Which was one of the reasons I kept my distance. But I feel bad because I know it’s really upsetting my in laws how I’m keeping my distance since I have a child now. I’m very formal.

bluntness well.. I admit revisiting my Op now I feel I didn’t have to state all the details there.. but I guess it sounded relavant in my head at the time. I guess it made me feel happy that I found some evidence in history that proved that I’m not just a nuisance or inconvenience and so became meaningful to me. But your right it shouldn’t be . I’m ashamed that I would use ancestral events to define who I am, something which I’m trying to protest against. I guess at times we do let the people bullying us mould us. I struggle with expressing emotions and making it concise and hopefully one day I will get there.

quartz

I see your point and bluntness point. But please understand that I feel I gave too much detail ( chose the ones that hardly anyone knows about which is probably because I never thought it relevant before)... but I feel I want to keep this post s but generic and get generic advice as to not be identified by the loads of friends who are always on mumsnet.

Basically...for the sake of clarity though , my grandad didn’t do anything actually. He just grew older and developed annoying habits of elderly age . She is using this as a personal attack to tell her son “be careful your wife doesn’t turn out like her grandad”. She also analyses all the members of my family which she has any contact with and pretends to be their friend and then when she speaks to my DH tells him things in a complete different context to vilify my relatives and eventually the conclusion is the same- that he needs her to fix me from the inherited traits she believes I have.

As for my father. I feel what he did was hurtful. To me, to my mum and to in laws. Biggest victim was me. I tried to stop him and my husband knows that. I suffered greatly trying to defend in laws. What he did though wasn’t personal to them or spiteful, or major. It was two occasions though. I made sure he kept his distance after that. I apologised repeatedly and my mother and I helped the situation recover. They know it’s not my fault and I didn’t want things to happen hundred percent. They know he did what he did because he was upset with me and it just happens that it affected in laws since we were planning events together. I tried to stop him with all my might and pleaded and they know this. He was in his own world, caved in.. he suffers emotional problems and is unstable , they know this.

When they’re with my father they respect him and like him.. it’s just me they take it out on. In the sense that “she should be grateful that I tolerated her father after he did this and that, and so she must oblige to this and that”. It has become a broken record. Every time I’m hurt by one thing, mil acts surprised as if I have no right to be hurt if she personally attacked me because she now has a green card since she tolerated my father this one occasion. Almost as if she wants to guilt trip me into tolerating her non sense for the rest of my life.

I’m not expecting you to judge whether mil is reasonable or not. That’s not what the post is about. You can’t judge a person without hearing both sides.

She knows that I feel hurt that they bitched about me. Knows I’m hurt that they never consulted me and made decisions on my behalf.. yet she thinks that because she tolerated my father two times in the past ( she knows I have a weakness for my father for ptsd but I always acknowledge he is in the wrong), that I owe it to her to remain forever subservient for her glory.

This post is me... wanting to see.. whether it is morally acceptable in general, that if someone puts you down for things unrelated to you directly ... that you put yourself up using those same unrelated things.

But I guess I have my answer. I know it’s not right I guess I just want to make myself feel better by putting a lid on the pot once and for all. And let her cook something nicer than her silly judgements of me.

I guess that’s the end of my thread. That’s all I wanted to say about this. Will figure it out

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Quartz2208 · 15/08/2018 21:48

OP I was wrong I think you gloss over it in a different way - I think you try to make sense of people negative behaviour so you can understand it as its so alien to you.

But some people can just be awkward and unpleasant and I think your MIL might be one of them

MovingThisYearHopefully · 15/08/2018 22:21

Its impossible to advise without relevant information! This is like pulling teeth tbh.

Butterymuffin · 15/08/2018 22:26

I'd say two things. One, find a good counsellor and talk it all through so they can help you come to terms with the past. Two, try wiping the slate clean and just responding to your in laws on the basis of how they are with you from here on.

FlappyFeet · 15/08/2018 22:28

Good grief. No one has the time to read all that surely?

JenFromTheGlen · 15/08/2018 22:30

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TrippingTheVelvet · 15/08/2018 22:53

You can't seriously throw something your granda once did about 50 years ago at her to get them to be nicer to you. If it's put across like that, they'll like you even less.

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 23:04

I’m not trying to make her like me honestly I couldn’t care less ..

I really am just trying to stop her bitching about my family ..

And to get her to respect my grandad. End of the day I do love my grandad and Dad and it hurts to see how they care for her and she resents them.. yet they don’t know.

I’m trying to get her to back off my case .. and to respect my grandad and Dad.

I’m not really pathetic to think that I can beg her love by throwing my grandads favors upon her ..

Anyway I really think this thread is a regret of mine now. Hope it can be closed

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ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 23:06

Well maybe I lied.. maybe I guess I was still wondering whether she is so hurt by what my dad did and her fears that I might turn out like grandad to the point of she hasn’t paid attention to who I am as a person .. and that I was confident if I stop her from overly focusing on their negatives that perhaps she would balance out and come round to see me for who I am.

Ok that does sound stupid.

This thread is embarsssing. Hope it dies soon

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Bluntness100 · 15/08/2018 23:17

Ok I don't really understand, and you're not wanting to say what your dad did and that's fine, you don't need to.

It's not embarrassing as it's anonymous, it's just difficult for people to advise you as you tell us a lot whilst telling us nothing.

Basically if she treats you like shit you either shrug it off or go no contact. Be an adult about it. If she doesn't like your family she doesn't have to. If she makes rude comments about them in front of you simply say "please don't talk about my x like that, it upsets me" and leave it there.

Good luck.

TrippingTheVelvet · 15/08/2018 23:17

Aww I don't think it's stupid but maybe a bit naive. We all dream of throwing things up to people to pull them down a peg or two. But realistically it will probably cause you more difficulty rather than less.

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 23:22

Ok thanks everyone

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Ignoramusgiganticus · 16/08/2018 01:08

Or next time she says, watch out, she'll turn out like her dad, just answer back
"It's actually very hurtful every time you bring the past up. I'm me, not my father or grandfather. Please respect that and stop stirring up bad feelings. It makes it very hard for me to feel positively about you and I really don't want to feel like that about you as obviously it's better when we get on"

So deal with her lack of respect for you in general, rather than concentrating on the past.

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