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To stop fighting for xH to have access after his outburst?

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Pinkvoid · 13/08/2018 15:30

Huge backstory but will try to be as succinct as possible without risk of dripfeeding.

Three DC aged 6, 7 and 8. Separated from xH coming up to four years ago. Have been with DP close to three years, introduced to DC 2.5 years ago and he has lived with us for the past year. I’m six months pregnant and we’ve just bought a bigger house in a much better town that’s a 40 minute drive away. It will be a far better place for us all to live in and the DC have a place in a much better school. DP and DC are extremely close and DP and his family have put a huge effort into making them feel included, accepted and cared for- it’s lovely.

XH moved in with his DP about a month after we separated and introduced to DC straight away. His DP has two DC aged 6 and 10. They live in a very cramped two bedroom house which obviously means when our DC stay there’s five under 10s in a small bedroom and our DC sleep on a blow up mattress on the floor. I don’t feel particularly comfortable about the ten year old boy sharing with our DD’S and have raised this as an issue with xh numerous times. Excuses as to why they can’t move have been endless, the most recent is that they’re in major rent arrears with the HA.

Her DS has bullied our DC for years varying from ordering them about, pushing them around, physical fights with my DS etc to threatening to murder them and also me. All of this has been mentioned to xH multiple times but nothing seems to change.

XH also doesn’t take the DC anywhere, he has taken them out approx ten times in four years. They just sit around in his house or play in the front garden. He says this is because he is broke but her DC have every piece of expensive technology imaginable, they have the full Sky TV package and also are going on an expensive holiday abroad in a couple of weeks which our DC haven’t been invited to.

They find it boring, really don’t like his DP’s DS and don’t like sleeping on the floor. Every week they beg not to go, sometimes I have to send them kicking and screaming and it breaks my heart. I make them go because I feel guilty not (although equally feel guilty sending them). I have asked xH if it’s possible for him to just take the DC out on his own instead of them going to his house but he says he is too broke for this.

He claims to work Monday-Saturday 9-5:30 and also one Sunday a month so as a result only sees DC three days a month. He doesn’t drive and has been ‘booking driving lessons soon’ for about a decade in all honesty, it never materialises. DP and I do drive so we drop the DC at his on a Saturday evening when he finishes work but ask he drops them back on the Sunday.

It was DD’s birthday on Saturday and we had a lovely day out. Went to drop them off usual time with XH (6:15pm when he gets home from work) but there was no sign of him. Called him and he said he’d missed the bus so his DP was setting off to collect him. She’d ignored us when we knocked on their door Confused, we saw her leave with her DC to collect him. It’s a 15 minute drive to his work so we figured we’d be waiting half an hour. 40 minutes passed (45 since we arrived there) and still no sign. We had nagging bored children in the back of the car who were tired after a long day and also needed the toilet so we gave him another ten minutes then set off. When I arrived home xH called me and started shouting down the phone. DP took the phone off me and told him not to speak to me like that. We explained how long we’d waited, asked why his DP didn’t just collect him after work or he didn’t get a taxi to be there on time for his DD’s birthday but he didn’t have a good response. He got a taxi to collect the DC and blanked us.

Yesterday I received a colossal text ranting and raving, some of it was entirely incongruous. He was essentially having a go at us for driving off, said we had no right to ‘dictate how he parents’ Confused and that if it continued, he would be contacting his solicitor to have a written agreement r.e access. In ways he was trying to claim we were preventing access in some way which is clearly nonsense since we make every effort for it to continue despite it making the DC unhappy... I didn’t bother replying to the text.

Asked DD what they did for her birthday and she had to share it on the Sunday with his DP’s DD which happens every year. They shared a birthday cake, his DP’s DD got lots more presents than DD including a tablet and they didn’t go anywhere for the birthday Hmm.

DP has worked really hard to try and build bridges with xH. They’ve been out for coffee a couple of times to try and iron out issues with the DC. Yet in this text, xH really painted DP out to be the bad guy and we’ve both had enough. We had agreed to drop the DC on a Saturday evening when we move house to save xH the rigmarole of getting the train and the cost, despite the fact it will cost us a fair amount in fuel. After this outburst we just can’t be bothered bending over backwards for him anymore. Would we be unreasonable to refuse to drop them when we move? The DC don’t even want to go...

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DonkeyHotei · 13/08/2018 15:39

Wow...this sounds like the most incredible backstory I have ever heard. I mean, it's one of those really rare cases where you literally have not done anything wrong at all, where your DP is an absolute saint and your side of the living arrangments is the most balanced, child-friendly and child-centered scenario imaginable. Whereas your ex sounds absolutely awful and unreasonable and his set-up is completely damaging to the kids. It's so rare to come across a scenario where this is the case, whereas from what you have told us, this is one of those rare cases. You don't need our advice. read your own words and the answer, based on what you have said, will be clear to you.

DonkeyHotei · 13/08/2018 15:42

Why just settle with refusing to drop the kids? Is there any way you could sever parental rights altogether?

user139328237 · 13/08/2018 15:43

You are moving so you should facilitate access.
It sounds like he is genuinely struggling to get by so it isn't difficult to see why he isn't taking them out every weekend. If his partners child's farther isn't about it is also fair that she received more presents than your daughter (as she will also have had presents from yourself). As he is not being neglectful of abusive towards the children the courts will see it as in their interest to have a relationship with him so will order contact.
If the missing the bus was a one-off it has to be disregarded as things happen and once in 4 years is hardly unexpected.
To be honest it sounds as though you came off much better from the breakup and are in danger of passing the sense of entitlement over to your children. If you want him to take out the children more maybe consider a reduction in maintenance conditional on that happening.

MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood · 13/08/2018 15:43

If your DC really don't want to go, I would suggest going back to court for a contact order of some kind which either states that there is no contact as per the wishes of the D.C.

OR

He takes them for days only

OR

They have contact at a contact centre due to ex's home being a hostile environment that the DC dislike and don't benefit from

I'm no expert on this, and hopefully someone will be along to better advise but if there is no official contact order with official rules, get one, then if he breaches it you can go back to court. I think.

Pinkvoid · 13/08/2018 15:45

I don’t really want to prevent access, it makes me feel dreadfully guilty. I do want them to have a relationship with their Dad and I don’t think they want to stop seeing him- they just don’t want to go to his house. As I say, I have asked xH whether he could take the DC out instead of taking them to his house but he says he’s too broke.

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user139328237 · 13/08/2018 15:46

A court is not going to take much notice of the wishes of 6-8 year olds and suggesting that a court would consider no contact or supervised contact at a centre is absolutely laughable in these circumstances.
Contact centres are used in cases where the non-resident parent has either been absent for a large portion of the children's lives or is seen as a possible risk to the children (and having to sleep on a mattress on the floor and spend time with step-siblings will not get close).

DonkeyHotei · 13/08/2018 15:48

I don’t really want to prevent access, it makes me feel dreadfully guilty I expect, being so absolutely assured as you are of how right you are in this situation, you will probably get over it.
I'm done here.

Pinkvoid · 13/08/2018 15:49

I get the bare minimum maintenance and as he only has them three days a month, it is actually less than he should technically be paying but I don’t wish for more.

I didn’t come away better from our split financially because I took all of his money, I was always the higher earner.

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IceCreamFace · 13/08/2018 15:50

I think a written agreement would be a good idea and would obviously involve him being there on time for his contact hours. Why on earth didn't he call you straight away once he'd missed the bus and update you on his ETA. If he could get a taxi to get his SDC then he could get a taxi to meet his children who were waiting outside his house.

Given that his SDC have been bullying your kids could you also insist on a contact centre? (I think since you're moving it should be near your old home town).

Pinkvoid · 13/08/2018 15:55

It was a one off but it was on DD’s birthday of all days and could have been avoided. For example, his DP could have collected him straight from work or he could have got a taxi. Really unsure why he stood around waiting for buses after work on her birthday.

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Guiltypleasures001 · 13/08/2018 15:55

Don't take them, let him take you to court op

TedAndLola · 13/08/2018 16:01

This is one of those posts where I really want to hear the other side.

Pinkvoid · 13/08/2018 16:06

Her DD’s dad is involved and has her during the week so she gets presents from him no doubt, her DS’ dad has never been involved.

He isn’t financially struggling because I take half of his wage in maintenance payments (I don’t get anywhere near that) or because I came out of the divorce any better. It really is poor money management. He has racked up debt and they have money for a holiday (they didn’t invite DC to) and a new-ish car, lots of technology for her DC but not to take the DC on the odd day out or to buy them beds Confused. I don’t expect him to take them out every weekend but ten times in four years takes the mick a bit.

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DonkeyHotei · 13/08/2018 16:07

@TedAndLola you think?! Wink

Hissy · 13/08/2018 16:16

What actual benefit do the kids get from contact with their dad?

the contact from where I am sitting looks like it's more likely to HARM them than help them

if they don't want to go, don't make them.

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/08/2018 16:17

No YANBU at all. Under these circumstances contact is very much from ideal. Can you see a solicitor a) as to how to respond to the text and b) to discuss the sleeping arrangements and if you can prevent overnights because of this. The children are scared of the 10 yo and he does nothing about it. Idk what if anything you can do about this legally.

Fattymcfaterson · 13/08/2018 16:19

Without all the back story. The question is. "would we be unreasonable to not drop the kids at his anymore now we are moving further away"

Yes YABU
You are choosing to move, you are changing the goalposts. Not on.

Isawthelight · 13/08/2018 16:21

Every week they beg not to go, sometimes I have to send them kicking and screaming and it breaks my heart

Her DS has bullied our DC for years varying from ordering them about, pushing them around, physical fights with my DS etc to threatening to murder them and also me

That alone would be enough for me not to send my DC there again. If he wants to see them, let him arrange to come and see them and take them out for the day, no more sleepovers, the kids clearly don't want to go.

Cittadineve · 13/08/2018 16:22

OP is written from OPs point of view. Shock
Like every other post ever so not sure what donkey’s problem is.

I wouldn’t help him out any more. Let him take you to court. If he can’t even be bothered to be home on time when you bring his kids to him and has no money to spend on them ever, he won’t be bothered with the hassle and expense of court.

Pinkvoid · 13/08/2018 16:24

But with the back story, the DC go to stay in a cramped house without beds for them and they get bullied there so don’t wish to go so the back story is relevant, really...

They do want to see him but just don’t want to go to the house and as I said, I’ve tried to ask xH if he could just take them out for the day instead of having them at his house but he says he can’t afford it. He also said something about not wanting to live a double life Confused. I still take my DC out without DP, it doesn’t mean I am ‘living a double life’.

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yorkshireyummymummy · 13/08/2018 16:27

I would be tempted to suggest he just sees them on a Sunday.
I wouldn’t like my children sleeping on the floor and even worse, being bullied and threatened by a step sibling they HAVE to share a bedroom with.
It’s right that he should carry on seeing them. But by what you have said it won’t be many years until they decide themselves that they don’t want to visit him there and they will be old enough for the court to take their views into consideration.
Also, Why is he not stopping the bullying? This would really worry me.

Isawthelight · 13/08/2018 16:30

OP sorry if this seems blunt but why are you so bothered about your exs feelings? Stop feeling guilty. Your ex is ignoring your and the DCs feelings so stop worrying about how he will feel. The kids don't want to go, listen to them.

RatherBeRiding · 13/08/2018 16:31

Poor kids. Sounds like they have a miserable time with the DH - I'd not insist they went. If he's that bothered he can make some effort. I doubt very much he'd want to expend the time and effort going to court.

geekone · 13/08/2018 16:34

I would imagine @DonkeyHotel is either the XHs DP or is in a similar situation. Wouldn’t be sending my son anywhere he was being bullied.

Pinkvoid · 13/08/2018 16:34

DP and I have said the same about court tbh. I’ve always wanted to avoid dragging the DC through the court system but I don’t think xH would bother to even do that or have the funds to since he’s apparently so broke...

I don’t feel bad for xH necessarily, I just want the DC to have a relationship with their Dad. It’s just a massive shame he is living in such conditions and that his DP’s DS bullies the DC. He always tells me he is tackling the DS’s behaviour but it never seems to work because they will return the following week complaining about him again.

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