To wonder whether people actually believe that there’s blood, piss and antibiotics in cow’s milk?

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I’ve seen the posters which say as much but I didn’t realise people actually believed it until today after over hearing 2 women in a park today.

Puss not piss 🤦‍♀️

Pus not puss.

Yeah, some people do believe that because they want to.

I stand corrected 🙄

It seemed worth correcting because you wanted to get it right.

@Shatnersbassoon I really should re-read before I press post.

They believe this because its what PETA tell them.
Peta tells them this because farming standards are different in the US from the EU.

@UpstartCrow
You’re right there. When I milked cows, we had a ‘dump tank’ for cows who were on antibiotics. We milked them into this instead of the main tank. I milked a cow on antibiotics into the main tank by accident once, boy did I get a bollocking for that, hundreds of litres of milk had to be dumped.

A lot of the grimness stuff on the dairy industry comes from the US where conditions for cattle are far worse than in the Uk

A colleague told me in all seriousness that cows are milked 24 hours a day

On a recent trip to London with my dairy farmer husband, I had an argument with some protesters outside udderlicious on this subject.

The woman absolutely refused to believe that this does not happen. If a cow has mastitis or blood in the milk the farmer would keep this separate. It would definitely not go in the tank with the rest of the milk. The dairies carry out multiple tests, spot check farms for hygiene and farmers are penalised for high bacteria counts in milk.

The naivety of protestors astounds me, it's appalling that they don't understand the damage they are doing to peoples livelihoods.

A vegan colleague that should say.

@daffodil10 it’s like they’ve been brainwashed. They don’t want to be presented with the facts, they are so focussed on spreading their hatred and lies. Cows are usually milked 2 or 3 times per day for around 10-15 minutes at a time.

I don't drink milk because it makes me feel ill, don't know what it is but just don't like it. I also avoid meat. But at no point do I believe any of the propaganda about it all.

As a vegan, I don't believe this. However, I do believe that the calves are taken away from their mothers pretty much as soon as they are born so we can drink their milk, many male calves born in a milking herd are killed or used as veal as they are not worth raising to be beef, many cows are now zero grazed, and that cows who are too old to give birth are sent to the slaughterhouse.

The truth about the cruelty behind milk is grim enough, so silly stories about puss are not needed.

And I also don't believe silly stories from farmers about cows being happy to be zero grazed or being happy to give birth year on year and have their day old calves taken away from them.

Load of shite. Yes, there are some terrible conditions cows live in, 100%. But you can be quite ethical shopping for dairy products if you choose to (tho it's more expensive)

Yep, no antibiotics either, there are maximum residue limits for milk, a cows milk cannot be added to the bulk tank until a specified period of time after having any medication. There are spot checks and any farmer with residues in their tank can be heavily fined or prosecuted. No growth hormones either, another US thing.

There used to be a legal limit on how much pus was allowed in milk. Heather Mills campaigned against it around 2013/14.

There was less allowed in the UK, than across the EU.

Was there laws brought in to change that?

I know part of the concerns about food production being shifted to Eastern European Countries, by the UK and the US, is because of their lax attitude to such stuff.

""there are maximum residue limits for milk,""

Ah, so there are still some.

But either way, we ended up with horse meat in burgers. Food is constantly being recalled, so it's not stupid to question things.

A lot does happen that shouldn't, despite having checks.

There's been quite a few prosecutions of dairy workers treating cows, that have just given birth and their newborn calves, in appalling ways, but that isn't supposed to happen either.

"Ethical dairy" is an oxymoron.

No probably not but the law allows a legal limit just as it allows a certain percent of rat hair in peanut butter etc but again the actual chances of ere minuscule

Wow, I was discussing this in a park today - were you eavesdropping like a creeper?

No such thing as ethical dairy or ethical meat either.

Oh yes, downstairs, assuming your "load of shite" comment was aimed at me, which part of my comments are incorrect?? I haven't said anything that can be truthfully refuted.

Birds, I agree that wanton cruelty towards cows and their calves is illegal, and even as a vegan I don't think most farmers are deliberately sadistic. However, the process is in itself cruel, and that is perfectly legal. It is legal to remove the calf from its mother within a day of it being born, and it is legal to kill newborn calves. Dairy cows don't make good beef, so the male calves are not economically viable (unless the farmer wants to raise them for veal, but that is a niche market and wouldn't absorb the number of dairy bulls born). The occasional lucky baby bull will be kept for breeding but most will meet their maker pretty much when newborn.

I think ethical meat and ethical eggs are both possible.

Ethical dairy however? Just nope.