To wonder whether people actually believe that there’s blood, piss and antibiotics in cow’s milk?

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I’ve seen the posters which say as much but I didn’t realise people actually believed it until today after over hearing 2 women in a park today.

@cdtaylornats is rosé veal similar to Echo Falls Blush Zinfandel? I might give that a try

My sil is a scientist and said she was put off milk because of the pus collector she saw and her knowledge that there is still some in the milk. It's not a lot but I thought it was still in there based on her first hand experience

@BetterEatCheese the first mm of water in a swimming pool is piss and shit particles.

Bleurgh! Also, if you can smell the chlorine it means it's working hard!

Ethical dairy/eggs and ethical meat are both possible and delicious. Feel free to have your own moral code of course, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else negatively.

I think lying to people to put them off milk runs the obvious risk of reducing the availability of milk to the small children in their lives for no good reason. I would consider this a bad thing.

I always find it interesting how much stick and a lot of the time hatred is directed at vegans. Whu does a cruelty free lifestyle stir up such a reaction. It's bizarre. Of course the vegans who stay quiet about it as they've been made to feel ashamed and made to feel that the only even halfway acceptable vegan is a quiet vegan. It's quite an interesting reflection on society really.

It also makes me quite angry too. There's obviously the underlying hidden guilt imo. If vegans create such a reaction for you have a long rational about why it is that the belief in not killing over killing makes you so angry.

OP would you be happy to be made pregnant year in and year out with each baby/calf (doesn't matter what language you use) taken away within 24hrs? And all the mikling and discomfort that accompanies that. Then at then of that shit life you get the thanks of being sent to the slaughter house? How awful.

Points to note:
Yes a dairy cow over produces milk. Us humans bred them that way for pur own gain. Nature left alone would not provide such a feature, (a bit like a pug and all thier health problems generated by us.

An animal is a life in it's own right. It is not a product or an object.

Thankfully attitudes are changing and animal product consumption is on the decrease.

My friend runs a dairy farm. The cows are milked twice a day 4am and 4pm. The cows remain in the grass fields with the bull for the rest of their time. The calves are fed a milk mixture, when taken from the mother. The calves have a device round their neck, which records how much milk they are consuming and if low usage is found, they will be given special attention. I have never seen any stressed cows or calves. The milking parlour is cleaned, spotlessly after each milking. The farmer shows local children round his farm on planned visits. How many of you have actually visited a dairy farm and spoken to a farmer who loves his animals ??? It's hard work being a farmer, you can't phone in sick and say to the cows, I'm not milking you today. Yes I eat and drink diary. The old image of someone hand milking a single cow, is not viable in the world that we live in now.

On a historical note, I believe that the dairy industry developed when trains/lorries were able to transport milk and milk products to towns and cities. I wonder how much dairy people are before that. Secondly. vegans and vegetarians, how much of the food you eat is locally produced or is imported from abroad via ship/air ?

There's obviously the underlying hidden guilt imo

I think it's the preachy thing. I have met very religious people who will preach at you for doing x which has no negative moral aspect whatsoever, and I have also been told I must secretly be guilty when I got bored and told them to piss off.

Nobody likes being preached at and judged when they've done nothing wrong, it's annoying. The only vegans who have pissed me off have been ones that do this, others (friends, family) it is not any kind of issue.

Some people are vegan, some people eat meat. I don't think anyone is better than anyone else. We live in a world where there is a choice. Some people live in societies where there is very little choice or they live in places where certain foods do not grow. Some countries eat horse, dogs, insects, whales...

I believe that the dairy industry developed when trains/lorries were able to transport milk and milk products to towns and cities. I wonder how much dairy people are before that.

I believe most of London''s milk production came from within the city in the 19th century, though there were issues with disease at various points, which the coming of the railways helped mitigate.

Apparently rinderpest is the second disease after smallpox to be globally eradicated.

I am vegan but the rest of my family are omnivores. I chose to eat a plant based diet as I suffer with IBS and for welfare reasons. But I am not a preachy vegan ( which annoys some vegans).
I agree a lot of info is based on American statistics so not relatable to the uk. However, I personally think a plant based diet is the healthiest and ethically best ( if locally sourced food is consumed). But that's my opinion and no one else is answerable to me and like wise.

@imAldoot 'Nobody likes being preached at and judges when they've done nothing wrong.'

Most vitriol aimed at vegans is unprovoked. A lot of people get really angry that vegans exist at all.

Done nothing wrong? Except pay for an animal to be exploited and killed. That's not something made up, it's a fact. If you find facts being pointed out to you upsetting or annoying, it may be something that you need to address for yourself not the messenger.

@Tir3dandhungry10 A question. Would you yourself be happy to be made pregnant constantly and to have each child you have taken away at more or less birth? Dairy is a want not a need so how can this be acceptable on any level? It's pretty barbaric and messed up when you think about it at a brass bolts level isn't it?

No such thing as ethical dairy or ethical meat either

Depends on your definition of ethical, doesn't it?

Most vitriol aimed at vegans is unprovoked. A lot of people get really angry that vegans exist at all

Um, no. It's because you come out with shit like this at people, unasked

Done nothing wrong? Except pay for an animal to be exploited and killed. That's not something made up, it's a fact. If you find facts being pointed out to you upsetting or annoying, it may be something that you need to address for yourself not the messenger

Try not being the messenger maybe?

I'm going to predict in the future there won't be any animals exploited for food and that humans will be sustained by a new source of food.

Not in your lifetime. And its unlikely.

Post apocalypse anyone left will be trying to raise chickens or keep a pig for sure. Veganism is a very new trend in the scale of human history, and not one very biologically suited to humans. Veganism without supplementation and enrichment of food, as well as global food distribution is almost impossible.

I'm wondering how many people had queries about the dairy industry during or after WW1 & WW2 when rationing occurred. Because, I've only seen argument s against farming in recent years, when food has been plentiful and with lots of choices, where food arrives from all over the world

you claim some things that aren't based on any facts. A bit of research would do you wonders. Animal agriculture is one of the major contributors to climate change. I would start with looking at that first if you're unsure. Even on a commo sense level growing food to feed our food isn't exactly efficient
Not sure whose post you're reading but mine were nothing to do with any of that. What are you waffling about?

www.ciwf.org.uk/farm-animals/cows/veal-calves/

I originally heard about it on a BBC farming programme but the above link refers to it.

As a vegan, I don't believe this. However, I do believe that the calves are taken away from their mothers pretty much as soon as they are born
I believe this too, I also believe that what is breastmilk for calves isn’t a necessary part of the human diet and the whole dairy as part of the food pyramid is complete bullshit. And that dairy cows are bred to overproduce milk to levels beyond what one calf would drink naturally, so they then have to be milked but it isn’t a natural amount of milk for a cow to produce.

But yeah I don’t really get the blood and pus.

I will also say this about mastitis though. When I’ve had it it’s never progressed to the point of noticeable amounts of blood - other than me seeing the red mark and feeling the dull pain you wouldn’t know. I have no doubt that some of the blockage does just drain out mostly unnoticed. So I wouldn’t actually assume that you are able to quarantine the mastitis milk from the others, only the milk that had developed into really severe mastitis. Normal blockages that come and go wouldn’t be noticed and quarantined I assume. At least, in a human it wouldn’t be.

Peta the same company who tried to sue a photographer for rights of ownership for a picture of a animal he took, transferring ownership to the animal. Obviously care for by Peta. I hate that organisation with a passion.

Milk isn't as bad as it could be. I rarely drink it anymore. Prefer the oat milk.

Ok, I'm going to wade in here.

My very first job, many years ago, was with a pharmaceutical related company. One of my tasks was to monitor anti-viv activity so I read a lot of animal rights literature.

So? The question is not about mastitis, antibiotics etc, it is about mastitis and antibiotic residue.

This is why I always buy organic everything, not least to reduce the antibiotic residue in eggs, especially.

I think the OP is decent and ethical. It's the huge factory farms who are leeching the nutrients out of animals and the land.