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AIBU?

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To want to ask this woman why she stayed with him?

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justsoannoyed · 10/08/2018 15:57

Name changed.

This happened a long time ago, in my 20s. I'm 50 now.

I had an abusive childhood and was quite scared of intimacy and kept myself to myself and stuck to my studies as a way to get on. I entered the arts at uni in Glasgow and got involved with some community projects where an older community worker took on a sort of mentoring role. He felt like a caring uncle. His girlfriend was also an activist and strong feminist, which I admired.

Fast forward a few years, I went to London for a good job and fell in love. I was still a virgin and my first boyfriend was my everything. My 'uncle' visited and a friend warned me that he didn't approve or view me as just a friend, but I brushed it off.

It didn't work out with my boyfriend after a year and I was utterly heartbroken and devastated. After months of moping I decided to go back to Glasgow into a new job as I kept pining for the ex and everyday was a reminder. In Glasgow I stayed with the 'Uncle' friend on his offer. He was still with the girlfriend but didn't live with her. I thought all was fine.

On the first night back he made a pass and I didn't resist. I didn't care. He said he wanted to be with me, and I said I just wanted to die if I couldn't be with the ex. This sorry and sordid state carried on for about two months. He did what he wanted in the most graphic way.

I made new friends and told one about the situation and she spoke to an older female friend and I moved into her lovely safe place the next day. I cut all ties with the 'uncle', went into counselling for two years and was celibate as I got myself together. I met my future husband as counselling ended and told him all of this. Before we married, the Uncle tracked me down and asked me not to get married. I told him never to contact me and hung up. I've been happily married for 20 years.

So, here is the AIBU. The Uncle stayed with the long term girlfriend throughout and married her. She's a big name in the feminist movement. I wasn't the only one he dabbled with, I found out from other friends later on. I'm sure the girlfriend/wife knew what was going on with me and turned a blind eye. His best friend also knew.

I saw the wife today by accident. We locked eyes and I froze. She looked at me like I was dirt. I wanted to run over and shout 'why didn't you say anything, why marry such a scumbag, how are you a feminist'?

I did nothing and the moment passed.

She's not responsible, he is and obviously so am I. But I was fairly inexperienced and naive. It was a long time ago. I should let it go.

AIBU to feel angry at her too?

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 10/08/2018 16:59

Op, it seems you're right, now you've explained, seeing this woman has simply brought it all back to you. So counselling will help you address it.

As for her, she actually may well not have known and thought it was consensual. Men can be predatory everywhere but the primary relationship, thr Madonna and thr whore thing. Or she could have been being abused herself, thr public persona and private one not matching.

I wouldn't make any assumptions about her.

Bluntness100 · 10/08/2018 16:59

What, why?

AutumnMadness · 10/08/2018 17:00

justsoannoyed , I hope you find your ground again soon. I don't think that you are unjustified in your feelings or that your anger is misplaced.

deepsea · 10/08/2018 17:01

No op, the people on here didn't realise you were being raped, had they known that from the outset of course their responses would have been completely different.

I am sorry this has happened to you. It is horrendous, and you do need to go back into counselling to have the support and comfort that you deserve and need.

Please just consider for a moment, that there may be many more completely innocent women that come into contact with him, and he may very well do the same to them. You could, if you could find the strength stop this from happening to them. You are unlikely to be the only one given his access to young women.

It is a matter for you think about, and only you can make that decision. But if he is alive and not dead or seriously ill that rapist is walking around capable of hurting many more.

SocialPiranha · 10/08/2018 17:01

I don’t blame you for not wanting to report it OP. I was raped by my ex amongst other sexual abuse and can’t bring myself to report it because I’m frightened things I’ve done in my past that I want to forget will be dragged up and I can’t bear the idea of that. Massive sympathy for you.

Oldraver · 10/08/2018 17:04

. and another group of women who are trying to tell one of them that what happened to her was her own fault, despite her having said quite clearly that she wasn't in a good place at the time!!! Yay, go Mumnset!

The partner probably doesn't know the OP was in a bad and maybe isnt aware how predatory he was...She will just see some younger person shagging her partner..

I dont think anyone on here is blaming the OP

justsoannoyed · 10/08/2018 17:06

I'm usually a very strong and stable person. I have a great husband and marriage, teenage children, senior job and respected in my field and good friends. Life is good. I've worked hard to make it so.

This today just came from nowhere and floored me. It feels like it happened yesterday. So vivid.

I'm going to make a cup of tea and compose myself before the troops arrive for dinner. I've a good counsellor I can visit and will take this on board.

Thank you to everyone who has posted. Just when you think you have yourself sussed out.

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Almostthere15 · 10/08/2018 17:06

@justsoannoyed I believe you. You were vulnerable and he took advantage of that. It's entirely possible he groomed you and of course seeing a person from that time that you admired and trusted has made you feel unsafe and brought up feelings from the time.

You don't need to go to the police, but I think you should have some more counselling and if you can manage it as your partner knows can you explain what has happened so you can have some support in real life.

Please ignore some of the ignorant comments on here. You clearly weren't in a position to consent, irrespective of your age and I felt that even before you confirmed that you said no. Sending a virtual handhold, and Id maybe even suggest you delete this thread as you'll always get people who don't read updates and will pile on in a way that it unhelpful to you and your state of mind right now. Please take care of yourself

deepsea · 10/08/2018 17:07

This was NOT and I repeat, NOT your fault op.

Gemini69 · 10/08/2018 17:12

I agree that OP's anger is directed unfortunately at the wrong person Flowers

deepsea · 10/08/2018 17:13

I know precisely where you are coming from. Your life is constructed around good and positive things and people. You have made a wonderful life for yourself, and you were not expecting to be back reliving the trauma out of the blue like this.

It is more common than you think to get these episodes, if it were not his wife it could have been a programme, a song or a place.

Have your tea, call your counsellor and find comfort in the life you have now. Not then. You have had your revenge on that bastard already by having a happy life and not caring one jot about him. Don't give him any more of your time and thoughts hun. Not one more second.

Put the kettle on, be glad you are a survivor, a strong woman that is no longer the young vulnerable girl she was.

Wishing you all the best, and hope you feel better over the weekend Flowers

wordsmithereens · 10/08/2018 17:16

What CuriousaboutSamphire said.

I think seeing her reminded you of how vulnerable you felt and were at that time in your life. The purpose of anger is to protect us, so it makes perfect sense you'd feel that rush of anger. It also makes sense to want explanations for what you - now that you're in a better place - can see as incomprehensible.

At the same time it's not the kind of situation you'll ever get (helpful) answers in, in my experience. I find what helps me most to cope with that kind of anger is to try and develop compassion for myself and the other person (e.g. what vulnerabilities must they have to stay in a situation so far from the values they profess to have?). But that's often very hard and should never become a stick to beat yourself with.

Wish you the best going forward and I'm glad you're in a better place in your life now. Don't take the voices calling this "cheating" to heart - they probably haven't been in a place where they've been that vulnerable to manipulation, so it's hard for them to grasp.

deepsea · 10/08/2018 17:17

Lots of people have not read the part where you said no to him and did not consent, they will not realise you have been raped.

Please hide the thread, as you will get some strange replies because they haven't read the whole thread

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 10/08/2018 17:23

The op has said she was vulnerable,chaotic upbringing. She looked up to this man
She thought he had +ve attributes eg status,wisdom,empathy, to support her
He in turn preyed upon her and used his status and he was dominant to her in a sexual and emotional manner

justsoannoyed · 10/08/2018 17:30

I've asked for the post to be removed.

Thank you for the helpful and thoughtful replies.

OP posts:
LipstickHandbagCoffee · 10/08/2018 17:34

Take care op,you’re a fine woman.

Bluntness100 · 10/08/2018 17:45

Good luck op, 💐

Saucery · 10/08/2018 17:47

I hope the counselling can help you pick your way through the flashback seeing this woman has caused you.
19yr Old you was not to blame for this. You looked up to them both.

numptynuts · 10/08/2018 18:06
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