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So many Irish here

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amazingtracy · 08/08/2018 22:24

I never thought I'd be doing this!
Anyway my Irish self and child are in Spain for my holidays. I'd like to think I'm fairly typical in that I'm currently chugging sipping wine on the balcony while my sons asleep.
lol and behold I just heard my balcony neighbor on the phone to....... god knows who but , the place is lovely it seems...... and I quote "but there's more Irish here now".
I'm so tempted to ask my son to ensure he brushes his teeth when he's done with his bottle of whisky.

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pallisers · 09/08/2018 02:15

I'm sure you think so girlwithalostearring.

girlwithalostearring · 09/08/2018 02:21

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Jesterstolehisthornycrown1 · 09/08/2018 02:22

@MiggledyHiggins are you an "Ais"? Grin
OMGWACA

pallisers · 09/08/2018 02:34

Is the daughter of Bengali parents who came here in, say 1970, and was born in Bradford, for example, therefore English or someone whose Grandparents were of the Windrush generation, included in that?

included in what? What are you talking about? I posted about english people saying borderline racist things about Irish people. As it happens (what a surprise) none of those people that I described were the children of immigrants (even Irish immigrants). Did you really think they were? You know what we are talking about.

The British as a nation need to own their history - it was a colonial power and those nations it colonised have been treated a certain way by "the British" . Individual british people who say racist things about the irish, the windrush generation, the pakistani immigrants etc need to own that.

Many, many british people, including many of irish descent or bengali descent etc don't need to feel any real guilt about how their country treated these other nations - but they do need to know the history and acknowledge it. I am a naturalised american in the last 20 years. Do you really think I can say "well I and my family had nothing to do with slavery or the civil rights movement" and think that excuses me from any responsibility as a white person?

And I still don't understand your comment about Irish people being horrible about the english behind their backs?

girlwithalostearring · 09/08/2018 02:47

@pallisers There are way too many assumptions in your post to keep going. We will just go round in circles. How do you know people aren't acknowledging their history and trying to find ways to make sense of it? You don't. We all need to look forward. We have so much more in common than the socio-economic divides that we were all caught up in, very few of us having that much power within them.

The racist comments you referred to are inexcusable but they are not one way only. Anecdote is not data, etc

pallisers · 09/08/2018 03:01

I have no idea what you are talking about girl. Honestly.

I was responding to a post that said

I don't really get it –I've never heard anyone speak disparagingly of the Irish. Is that a thing?

And I said yes it is a thing and gave specific personal experiences and said I hope a vanishing thing.

Do you want me to say there is no negative shit about the Irish in the UK?

Do you want the OP to do a preamble about acknowledging history and facing forward when describing her actual experience?

No one is going around in circles. It isn't that kind of argument. Yes this kind of shit - as described by the OP - does happen. No, not every english person needs to feel guilty about it. Yes everyone does need to acknowledge that it is english history that has engendered these comments.

girlwithalostearring · 09/08/2018 03:09

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SisterNotCisTerf · 09/08/2018 09:01

You are pretty horrible to the English behind their backs, though.

Who is? Confused

MiniCooperLover · 09/08/2018 09:53

OP I'd love to hear a friendly Irish accent, or British. We are on a campsite in Spain that is predominantly full of Dutch and German families and clearly the Dutch way of parenting is open the doors, chuck them out to have fun and ignore the screaming 👍

MiggledyHiggins · 09/08/2018 12:01

Jesterstolehisthornycrown1 100% Ais through and through. Grin

makeitso · 09/08/2018 12:14

I haven't got OMGWACA yet. Is it good?

Poloshot · 09/08/2018 12:20

Inferiority complex? It's just an observation

playdead · 09/08/2018 12:23

Polo unfortunately it's a learned response in many cases.

InsomniacAnonymous · 09/08/2018 12:23

user1497863568 "I have a hard time convincing people I'm Irish because I don't look Scandinavian."

Huh? Confused

Tomatoesrock · 09/08/2018 12:30

It probably sounded worse than it was meant. I have heard Irish people describe certain holiday destinations as very English. My Gran mother gave a friend a right mouth full for saying it about Belameda. It was probably an observation.

Tomatoesrock · 09/08/2018 12:45

Inferiority complex? It's just an observation

Irish definitely do not have an inferior complex. We well I do have a knee jerk reaction to certain comments that could be anti-irish.

MiggledyHiggins · 09/08/2018 13:28

makeitso It's a good book, and there's a sequel on the way so hopefully that will be just as good.

makeitso · 09/08/2018 14:04

Thanks Miggledy

I might change my name to A. I haven't read the book but my earlier life sounds a bit similar Smile

AndBabyMakes3 · 09/08/2018 15:08

Thanks to this thread I have a very odd combination of fields of athenry and danny boy as an ear worm.... on the other hand, I think OP may not be too far from me. Are you on the North West or Ancient East @amazingtracy ?

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 09/08/2018 15:12

I don't know, maybe she was just passing comment...?

I mean was the word 'Irish' prefixed with any other word? that is my general test for racism.

If you are sure it was negative then I suggest that right now is a great time to teach your son Irish dancing..:)

Jesterstolehisthornycrown1 · 09/08/2018 16:52

@MiggledyHiggins your name gave it away obvs Grin
Looking forward to book 2.
OMGWACA knowing nod/look

BeenThereDone · 09/08/2018 17:13

Loving the gúna!! Hope you wore it..

Shutupanddance1 · 09/08/2018 18:14

Another OMGWACA here.. Except I’m a bit of a Niamh Wink

I very recently went out with a group of Irish/English/Scottish Mums at a meal. A group of British naval officers sat next to us.
First question from an officer to me upon hearing my accent was ‘any more gypos about tonight’ Shock.. couldn’t believe it

Rosie342 · 09/08/2018 18:38

I've always loved every Irish person I've met, including my DH. Once went to Inish Boffin as DSM has family on the island and the random singing and lovely people made it the best holiday I've ever been on.
Can I just say as well to the post which called the ignorant person a racist, the Irish aren't a race...

FourFriedChickensDryWhiteToast · 09/08/2018 18:45

" I've always loved every Irish person I've met, "

well that's funny as they all wrote to me and said they couldn't stand you..

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