To cannot believe this Telegraph headline

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My first ever AIBU and apologies if this has done before, the headline is two days old, but seriously?? :

Women will have to give up work to look after parents unless EU care workers are given priority after Brexit

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/05/women-will-have-give-work-look-parents-unless-eu-care-workers here]]

Let’s hope that Arron Banks is rumbled

Hi Iaminsignficunt, obviously you’ve been fooled by project fear and are imagining the staff shortages. You do know the torygraph is famous for its active role in project fear and all those pro Brexit headlines were just false flags to lull us into submission.

Yes, I just smack my pretty little head an imagine it with my lady brain every time I walk into work. The Telegraph are so famed for being remainers, we must be reading this completely wrong.

Women will always face the shitty end of the stick with this kind of thing. Caring, emotional and family labour will always fall to women in any crisis.

Interesting CecilyNeville, thank you for sharing

What ever else the Telegraph is known for it is hardly a remainer bastion with a love of project fear. Even members of the government have started talking about project reality. There are serious issues that need sensible consideration not Twitter sound bites.

I agree that women are always expected to be the care givers, but at the risk of repeating myself, this is not the bloody issue!
Why oh fucking why can’t anyone see that leaving the EU is going to be horrendous in so many ways?
Lots of us will be ok cos we can afford private health care, expensive food etc but for the majority it’s going to be terrible!
Our lives are going to be affected in ways you haven’t even thought of.
But no, keep em out, make Britain great again. Queen Vic is turning

I agree that women are always expected to be the care givers, but at the risk of repeating myself, this is not the bloody issue!

Um, it is exactly the issue being discussed in the OP.

Oh I see. I thought we were talking about the impact of losing a huge percentage of nurses, doctors and carers as a result of leaving the EU. Pardon me

Well I’m sure any elderly people who voted for Brexit will be happy to either have to care for themselves or suffer, after all they did say that the downsides of Brexit were a price worth paying.

I don’t think the telegraph are suggesting that it ought to be women who do this, but rather than it will be because, unfair as it is, women still bear the burden of caring for elderly, infirm or ill relatives in this country.

off to the sunny uplands of Brexit. British nurses for British people, they're training dozens arent they? With all that dosh they said would be available for nhs? And proper British housewives, please wave union jack pinny now, in proper British homes full of lovely blond haired blue eyed British kiddies. We've got our country back, its all going, to be so wonderful

Aintnothingbutaheartache
There's really no need to be rude to me. Or other people, come to that.

@sunflowersinthesky

Probably a stupid question, but how did we manage before the influx of EU workers in recent years?

People living longer but in poor health, the move to "care in the community", previously, you lived out your final months/years on a long stay Geriatric ward, we had more younger workers as a proportion of the workforce and that women didnt go to work in the numbers they do now.

There are probably other reasons but given how many EU citizens work in the healthcare sector, reduction of eu workers, might be a mistake.

So they DoH is expecting women to leave work force and care for elderly relatives.

I think they may have a shock as most have very little choice about working. In my family several men have given up work to be carers in fact I think many carers are men - it's not as expect as women doing it but I think many find themselves in that postion.

Sunflowers. We managed by importing poor Irish and West Indian workers to clean up our mess.

Women. Our pensions have been nicked and we need to work till we drop in order to grab some back BUT hows this going to work out if were all staying home to look after ageing parents? On no income. Sounds great.

Thing is they can print what they like, it's up to women/families to decide. I do think that there is a societal expectation that women do the caring, a bit like having children. Guess what - men earn more so it make sense for women to give up or go part time and do all the caring. I do find it frustrating because if women start saying 'NO' louder then things will change.

This will not happen because the majority of the women who work do so, at least partly, because it is a financial necessity. Obviously any shortages of care workers will lead to a worsening of the social care system.

Of course there will be enough carers, it's just that they might have to be British. And the private owners of the care homes and agencies may have to start paying their workers a proper wage - as of course they should be doing anyway.

As much as I am more than ready to give up work (but not old enough), at times like this I thank God I'm an "orphan".

The NHS is currently understaffed to the tune of 25,000 nurses. Take away the EU nurses, doctors and carers (or even just half of them) and the NHS as we know it ceases to exist and becomes an 'Emergency Only' service. So someone will need to look after those who cannot look after themselves, whether due to illness, injury or infirmity.

Hopefully there will be people with the time and energy to do this, in between queuing for hours for their weekly fuel, food and medicine rations.

DontCallMeCharlotte, you’re wrong sorry - they’re won’t be enough. The staff shortages are happening now and they are crippling and desperate. I have a friend who’s a senior nurse manager in London - they are desperately worried.

We managed by importing poor Irish and West Indian workers to clean up our mess

And then we imported poor workers from EU countries instead. From an ethical and moral point of view, that wasn't any better, was it?

Charlotte u remind me of my daughter. When housing benefit was cut a few years ago I said homelessness will return to Thatcher levels. She said not, that landlords would have to reduce rents. She, like you, was wrong, thats not how it works. Havanana is correct.

But it's true isn't it? Women are the ones who are expected to give up careers to wipe up poop.

How did we manage before is a very reasonable question.

ageing population... I don't think folk appreciate this enough. This graph is for age 90+, but similar trend for age 70+ etc. Elderly make massively more demands on the state than people of working age.

We shouldn't import workers. We should raise salaries until we can attract enough UK workers to do the jobs. If that means other jobs gets priced out of existence, and we have less to spend on other things, so be it. Importing workers is a bodge to compensate for the fact that certain jobs are underpaid.

I don't include seasonal farm-workers in this. If you can get certain jobs done by people who leave when the job is done, that's not the same thing as expanding the population by importing additional workers who settle here permanently.

The permanent population needs to do all the jobs that need doing, expanding the population because it somehow seems cheaper in the short-term is an idiots way to solve shortfalls.