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To be considering cancelling daughters jabs?

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Beautifulblue · 07/08/2018 00:16

My 13 month old is due her jabs tomorrow & im absolutely dreading it. I was already dreading it, because of the needles souly, I don't want her poor little legs & arms jabbed Sad last time was really quite traumatic. But today I bumped into a some what crazy aunt of mine who went on & on about how damaging immunisations are & how my baby could be left disabled. I don't believe it, in all honestly. I know how many children have them & are absolutely fine. But I didn't even tell this aunt she was having them tomorrow & now I'm stupidly feeling like I was meant to bump into her. Hmm oh goddddd, I'm so nervous!! Help!

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Beautifulblue · 07/08/2018 00:39

I know I realised @KarmaIsAbish & had rectified above your comment ^ 🤦🏼‍♀️

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Beautifulblue · 07/08/2018 00:39

@MadameMaxGoesler thanks Hun 😘

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GunpowderGelatine · 07/08/2018 00:42

Bloody hell there's some nasty fuckers in this place Hmm

OP I get it. I postponed my son's once by a week because he'd already been really unwell with norovirus, as had my DD, and I just thought it wasn't a good time for him to have yet another 3 days of misery (he suffers for days after his immunisations) on top of me having to look after his sister.

And don't listen to militant anti-vaxxers. They're batshit conspiracy theorists, but I get why having that conversation has spooked you!

GunpowderGelatine · 07/08/2018 00:45

Visit a cemetery that was in use during the 1800's and early 1900's. Note the abundance of children's headstones. Vaccines are the primary reason why you don't see them in modern cemeteries

Not to be facetious but do we absolutely know this is the primary reason? I'd have thought better healthcare, advances in medicine, more hygenic living, universal healthcare and better birth experiences for women would be the main reason for fewer infant mortalities?

Happy to be proven wrong!

Beautifulblue · 07/08/2018 00:45

Thanks @GunpowderGelatine! I'm so glad you understand! I know what you mean about the nastiness to... just feel sorry for their kids tbh! But there's always 1, or 2 or 3, or 4 🙄

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Beautifulblue · 07/08/2018 00:46

I think it's probably a combo @GunpowderGelatine but they are definitely a huge contributing factor I imagine.

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TheFaerieQueene · 07/08/2018 00:48

You do need to try and relax about this. Your baby will pick up on your mood and become distressed, which will make the whole experience traumatic for you both. The reality is it’s a couple of seconds of minor discomfort, which isn’t really anything to get upset about.

ginandnappies · 07/08/2018 00:52

Little ones got his tomorrow. The small amount of crying is better than what could happen. Please vaccinate. It's incredibly stupid not to.

Beautifulblue · 07/08/2018 00:52

I know you're right @TheFaerieQueene the apprehension is always worse & luckily DD won't have any of that. Does anyone know if they reacted ok to their first lot of jabs, that makes it less likely they would have a bad/allergic reaction to this next set?

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DiegoMadonna · 07/08/2018 00:55

Try to relax a little, OP. Babies forget about the whole thing about 2 minutes after it's done.

mumsastudent · 07/08/2018 00:58

take a bottle or some comfort thing that she like with you - it will be an ow sudden cry at most not a long drawn out weeping - they simply are not that painful. they are very quick ie that's why they are called jabs! You are protecting dc - how are you going to manage to pull a plaster off if you need to or if your dc is a healthy active one what happens if they ever need stitches - (my ds had a season ticket to a & e from about 6 :) along with a lot of his little friends!) you can do it :) op!

Freshfeelings · 07/08/2018 01:08

It'll be over so quickly and then your little one will be much safer for life.

MissConductUS · 07/08/2018 01:09

then you take them to be jabbed with needles & injected with diseases!?

Vaccines are not diseases.

Six Things You Need to Know about Vaccines

Please don't listen to the awful, ignorant gobbledygook some people spout about vaccines. I'm an RN and a mum. They are extremely safe and save millions of lives every year.

I had measles as a child and suffered a permanent loss of hearing as a result. Don't put your DC at risk of that or much worse. Children can die from whooping cough.

Skittlesandbeer · 07/08/2018 01:33

Here we have a product called Emla patches (like a sticker) that numb the area so the baby doesn’t feel it. Maybe ask your pharmacist?

The only issue with them is that different jabs need to go in different body parts, so you need to know how/where your medical person will be doing it. And it takes a good few minutes to work.

I had success with them (my anxiety was sky high at that time) by catching a GP while in the waiting room and begging her to show me where to stick it for XX jab. If the queue is 3-4 people long, it’s enough time for it to kick in. Also ask at the previous appt where the next jab goes, and note it down.

Good luck!

MissConductUS · 07/08/2018 01:38

Not to be facetious but do we absolutely know this is the primary reason? I'd have thought better healthcare, advances in medicine, more hygenic living, universal healthcare and better birth experiences for women would be the main reason for fewer infant mortalities?

Happy to be proven wrong!

All of those factors play some role, but you missed the other most important factor - less malnutrition.

Six common misconceptions about immunization

"Diseases had already begun to disappear before vaccines were introduced, because of better hygiene and sanitation".

Statements like this are very common in anti-vaccine literature, the intent apparently being to suggest that vaccines are not needed. Improved socioeconomic conditions have undoubtedly had an indirect impact on disease. Better nutrition, not to mention the development of antibiotics and other treatments, have increased survival rates among the sick; less crowded living conditions have reduced disease transmission; and lower birth rates have decreased the number of susceptible household contacts. But looking at the actual incidence of disease over the years can leave little doubt of the significant direct impact vaccines have had, even in modern times.

For example, there have been periodic peaks and valleys throughout the years, but the real, permanent drop in measles incidence coincided with the licensure and wide use of measles vaccine beginning in 1963. Other vaccine-preventable diseases show a roughly similar pattern in incidence, with all except hepatitis B showing a significant drop in cases corresponding with the advent of vaccine use. (The incidence of hepatitis B has not dropped as much because infants vaccinated in routine programs will not be at high risk of disease until they are at least teenagers. Therefore a 15-year lag can be expected between the start of routine infant vaccination and a significant drop in disease incidence.) Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccine is another good example, because Hib disease was prevalent until the early- to mid- 1990s, when conjugate vaccines that can be used for infants were finally developed. (The polysaccharide vaccine previously available could not be used for infants, in whom most cases of the disease were occurring.)

Are we expected to believe that better sanitation caused incidence of each disease to drop just at the time a vaccine for that disease was introduced? Since sanitation is not better now than it was in 1990, it is hard to attribute the virtual disappearance of Hib disease in children in recent years in countries with routine Hib vaccination (from an estimated 20,000 cases a year to 1,419 cases in 1993, and dropping in the United States of America) to anything other than the vaccine.

Finally, we can look at the experiences of several developed countries after they allowed their immunization levels to drop. Three countries —Great Britain, Sweden and Japan — cut back the use of pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine because of fear about the vaccine. The effect was dramatic and immediate. In Great Britain, a drop in pertussis vaccination in 1974 was followed by an epidemic of more than 100,000 cases of pertussis and 36 deaths by 1978. In Japan, around the same time, a drop in vaccination rates from 70% to 20%-40% led to a jump in pertussis from 393 cases and no deaths in 1974 to 13,000 cases and 41 deaths in 1979. In Sweden, the annual incidence rate of pertussis per 100,000 children of 0-6 years of age increased from 700 cases in 1981 to 3,200 in 1985.

It seems clear from these experiences that not only would diseases not be disappearing without vaccines, but if we were to stop vaccinating, they would come back. Of more immediate interest is the major epidemics of diphtheria that occurred in the former Soviet Union in the 1990s, where low primary immunization rates for children and the lack of booster vaccinations for adults resulted in an increase from 839 cases in 1989 to nearly 50,000 cases and 1,700 deaths in 1994. There were at least 20 imported cases in Europe and two cases in U.S. citizens who had worked in the former Soviet Union.

Toddlerteaplease · 07/08/2018 01:57

She'll need a lot more needles if she catches anything that could have been immunised against.

sycamore54321 · 07/08/2018 01:58

Great post MissConductUS. You could also look at the incidence of polio in the Russian-occupied part of Ukraine, where a previously eradicated disease has re-emerged in the areas where health systems have broken down.

Katedotness1963 · 07/08/2018 02:11

I couldn't face taking my boys so I had it become a "dad job". Then during a move (military family, moved every few years) my youngests jab record went missing. He was 8/9 at the time and have to have them all repeated because we needed to show a record for him to get into the school. He's a perfectly healthy 17 year old now.

nocoolnamesleft · 07/08/2018 02:16

Take a deep breath. You're not taking your baby to be jabbed by needles. You're taking your baby to be protected against some bloody nasty diseases. Because you love her, and want to protect her. You can do this. For her.

TheSandgroper · 07/08/2018 02:33

From my experience. I firmly believe in vaccination so have always followed the schedule. This has meant that a mate with a dd who can`t be immunised due to severe underlying conditions found our house a safe harbour for play.

And, more importantly to me, was that after three rounds of chemo and a consequent reduced resistance, my dearest mother came down with the most severe case of chicken pox I have ever heard of. The wonderful nurses fought a war for a week to keep her alive and thankfully succeeded. She was in a solitary ward with an airlock door because the last thing a hospital wants is viruses wandering down the corridors. If we hadn`t had the vaccination, we would not have been allowed in to see her which would have killed her, killed my dad and it would have killed me.

This experience wasn`t something I had ever planned for but I was prepared.

Aldilogue · 07/08/2018 02:39

Geez give the OP a break.
I understand, I hated getting their jabs but just stressed about and then just did it. No words of encouragement for you, just saying I understand

HollyBen · 07/08/2018 02:51

I don't think the OP was looking for a debate over whether or not to immunise just a but of support over actually doing it! I know the dread. I shed a tear when I took both mine and their little faces crumpled when they were done. I never considered not having them done.

Beautifulblue postponing won't help. You will just put yourself through the dread again in a few day/weeks/months. In fact the sooner they are done the better. And after these one's there are no more for a few years. You can do this!

FeralBeryl · 07/08/2018 02:55

@Beautifulblue Thanks you're always going to get a heated response on the subject because the vast majority of us feel so strongly about it either way.

I was almost physically sick taking all of mine for theirs but the best thing you can do for them is to slap a-big smiley face on, with a big smiley voice, take their dummy/boob/bottle/blanket/small toy to distract them and it's over in seconds.

It may also help (really) for you to read or view some images about the diseases you're going to stop DC from contracting. It will honestly strengthen your resolve as to why you're there.
I think it's the first milestone of 'cruel to be kind' in parenting and it's shit. Entirely, wholly necessary, but still shit.

MrSpock · 07/08/2018 05:19

I was scared of it. I think it’s normal. I’m pro vaccine and know all the info but it’s still worrying when it’s hour child.

Better to have them done though OP.

MrSpock · 07/08/2018 05:19

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