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To think this is really odd advice?

19 replies

SwearyMaclary · 05/08/2018 09:28

Just read this advice from Mariella Frostrup in today’s Observer. It’s from a woman trying to move on from an abusive relationship with an ex who’s still friends with her sister and sister’s DH.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/aug/05/i-have-an-abusive-ex-how-can-i-get-him-out-of-my-friendship-circle#comments

Is it just me or is this a really strange response?

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dudsville · 05/08/2018 09:29

I can't click your link

BlueBug45 · 05/08/2018 09:33

The BL commenters have set the matter straight.

SwearyMaclary · 05/08/2018 09:36

Clicky link to the article

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HollyGibney · 05/08/2018 09:41

So she's basically saying "I'm sure it probably wasn't that bad, don't judge by today's "woke" society and if it it was that bad you should have gone to the police at the time". Just in lots of flowery words while barely giving any advice on how to deal with her disloyal sister.

I think many people think like this actually but just don't have a huge public platform to say so.

Clairetree1 · 05/08/2018 09:55

can't see the article, but I don't think you get to regulate who is or isn't friends with an ex

pictish · 05/08/2018 10:00

“You had a bad affair and if the only punishment he deserves is banishment from your sister and brother-in-laws’ lives, then I have to conclude he’s not a monster.”

Wtf Mariella? Shut up!

Mythologies · 05/08/2018 10:05

She has form for this.
She once told a young girl whose older partner had moved her away from family and friends and stopped her studying or working that it was all ok because he hadn't hit her. Angry
MN posters tried to set her right then - but she obviously doesn't listen or learn.

StringandGlitter · 05/08/2018 10:06

The advice is maintain a relationship with your sister and don’t let him affect you. When the original letter states how much this is affecting her and her relationship with her sister and that’s what she’s been trying to do for 12 years!

NCcosOuting · 05/08/2018 10:09

I'm biased against MF as she had an affair with my EA ex when I had a new baby and a 2yo. Along with lots of protestations about not wanting me to be hurt, naturally. Hmm

AnoukSpirit · 05/08/2018 10:09

So I have to ask you to be honest with yourself and decide whether we are talking about real abuse here, or a short-lived aberration a very long time ago.

I'm usually more shocked when she manages not to dole out shit advice, but this one is pretty obscene.

Mythologies · 05/08/2018 10:10

this
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HollowTalk · 05/08/2018 10:13

Bl

Blimey, NC!

DerelictWreck · 05/08/2018 10:19

www.theguardian.com/info/2014/sep/12/-sp-how-to-make-a-complaint-about-guardian-or-observer-content

How to make a complaint about that appalling advice

jayho · 05/08/2018 10:22

I thought it was odd too, I stopped reading it as I found it upsetting.

TypicallyNorthern · 05/08/2018 10:22

WTF is MF on about. She is not fit to be handing out advice TBH. The woman sounds like she escaped a narcissist and her sister and BIL are enabling him.

Ditch your sister and get on with creating your own little life free of bullshit with your fiancé is my advice to her.

Hygge · 05/08/2018 10:40

He became "physically, emotionally, and verbally abusive" and Mariella is putting this down to a short-lived aberration?

It's been twelve years and he's still behaving like an abusive wanker, because he IS an abusive wanker. Twelve years of manipulative shit following physical, verbal, and emotional abuse is not a short-lived aberration. It's who and what he really is.

What the hell is wrong with Mariella? Are we talking about "real" abuse? What does she even mean? Physical violence is real abuse. Emotional abuse is real abuse. Verbal abuse is real abuse.

It's like those people who think there's such a thing as 'real' rape and something that's not "rape rape". Whoopie Goldberg and the like, saying that "it's not rape rape" while defending rapists like Roman Polanski and Bill Cosby.

She said exactly the same thing to defend Polanski as Mariella has said to this woman, "we live in a different society now."

And how dare Mariella say to that woman that she has to be careful what she says because of "real victims" as though this woman is not a real victim of abuse, or to think about how the word abuse blackens the accused person's name.

As for the woman's sister, often people don't want to admit that they are supporting an abuser.

We don't want to take sides, it's not our place to take sides, there are two sides to every story, you must have done something as well, you've moved on but he's still hurting, you're both to blame.

The issue is, if they admit that their friend abused their sister, they have to do something about it. They have to look at themselves and the people they associate with.

They have to admit that they didn't see him for what he is, they have to admit that they missed or ignored signs that he is an abuser, they have to act and cut him off or tell him what he did was wrong, and it's just easier not to for some people.

We don't want to get involved or take sides is basically just "we don't care enough about you to make our own lives briefly uncomfortable."

And Mariella has missed the bit where the woman says she tried to speak to her abusive ex to make it possible to coexist peacefully in group situation and he rejected that.

I can't imagine she did that because she wants to still see a violent, verbally and emotionally abusive man from her past. She did it to make her sister and her friends more comfortable. When they don't give a shit about making her feel more comfortable in return (otherwise they would cut the violent abuser out themselves and not victim blame the woman instead.)

Fuckers, all of them.

Poppins2016 · 05/08/2018 10:44

Makes me wonder what the response would have been if the woman had said "I was raped"... "I have to ask you to be honest with yourself, are we talking about 'real rape' here?"

NotTheFordType · 05/08/2018 10:59

She's a fatuous idiot. I have no idea why they keep publishing her column. It generally reads like she composed it whilst half pissed.

Pittcuecothecookbook · 06/08/2018 16:29

www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2018/32/Marisa-Bate-on-Mariella-Frostrup-agony-aunt-abuse

The Pool wrote a decent article saying the same as us lot today

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