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Irritating pronounciation

566 replies

percheron67 · 04/08/2018 23:32

I have just seen the Tesco steak ad and wish that the woman talking would not use a glottal stop in the middle of words. Perhaps this is regional but it sounds very lazy.

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Timeisslippingaway · 05/08/2018 23:07

NoIsAYour post about the chocolate makes absolutely no sense to me because the words Karl, cath, half etc all have the same ' a ' sound where I come from in Scotland.

Yup I was also a bit Confused with that one.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 05/08/2018 23:57

Almond fits in with palm, balm and alms, their all have an ar sound, the l is not pronounced. It really winds me up.

You mean that YOU don't pronounce the l. I always pronounce it with a subtle l sound, but not a full one, so, if it makes sense, the beginning of the l sound but not the full sound - it probably sounds more like parrrlm rather than parllllm, but never to be a complete rhyme for farm. That probably doesn't make any sense in how I've typed it....

Some differences are just variations from region to region or even from person to person. Offen or offten? Isyoo or ishoo?

I remember a letter to the Radio Times from probably a few years ago (how very, very sad am I), where a Scottish viewer/reader was complaining at the 'failure' of English TV and radio presenters to pronounce the h in words such as which, what or why (usually with the first two letters swapped around, so more like hwich, hwat, and hwy). However, the main reason that English presenters don't do this is because they're English. Many Scots (and Welsh and Irish people) tend to pronounce the h, which is absolutely fine and normal. Most English people don't, which is fine and normal too. It's like trying to ask if a higher-pitched female voice or a deeper male voice is the 'correct' one that everybody should use.

It basically comes down to intolerance and a misguided belief some people have that they are the language police and the only authority. I bet nobody would dare to correct somebody from, say, Africa, where they speak English as their first language, but (oddly enough) in an African way rather than a British or American one.

Incidentally, why does it sound so lazy and irritating (to me, anyway!) when Brits speak French or German with pretty-much correct letter sounds (i.e. Ren-oe rather than Ren-olt) but with no attempt at an authentic accent - and yet most non-native English speakers (with the possible exception of people from the Netherlands up to Scandinavia) make no attempt to change their own accent when speaking flawless English, and it sounds attractive?!

And don't get me started on people who pronounce it on-ve-lope. Either say on-vay-lopp (French) or en-ve-lope (British/English-native), but why a hybrid?!?!

Oh, and (sort of) referring back to Sarah Millican (who isn't actually a Geordie, as many assume, but South Shields is nearby and does sound quite similar), a Geordie would pronounce it 'a kangaroo' whereas somebody speaking in RP would say 'I am unable to extricate myself from here'. Coat being swiftly got.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 06/08/2018 00:02

Oh, and if a Scottish person ever asks if you'd like a 'boogie', make sure that they're a nice, normal person inviting you for a lovely little dance rather than an oddball offering you a somewhat less-than-lovely bodily product....

Goth237 · 06/08/2018 01:37

I hate; 'iss-you' for issue, one woman on Dinner Date pronounced 'Thai' as 'Thigh' (my god that got under my skin), when people say 'Ja-lapeno' instead of 'ha-lapeno', or 'faj-ita' the 'j' makes an 'h' sound people, 'arksed' instead of 'asked', 'kwin-o-a' instead of 'keen-wah' (quinoa)... to be honest any mispronunciation of a word annoys me.

Goth237 · 06/08/2018 01:39

Also, 'almond' has a silent 'l'. It's pronounced 'ar-mond'.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 06/08/2018 02:16

'arksed' instead of 'asked'

Agreed! However, a very dear, 'well-spoken' friend who was then somewhat 'unworldly' shall we say, started using a phrase a lot that she (thought) she'd heard her brother saying. Whenever she wanted to communicate that she really couldn't be bothered with something, she said "I can't be asked" (possibly as in "Don't bother asking me"?). However, that wasn't quite what her brother had been saying - nor what we instinctively 'heard'! Not an unusual MN everyday phrase, but still initially very shocking coming from her!

She also shared David Cameron's disbelief on learning that changing the vowel in 'twit' doesn't give you an equally-harmless, totally-inoffensive, safe-to-use-around-children alternative to 'twit'....

Timeisslippingaway · 06/08/2018 07:47

I am struggling to think which accent or region replaces "L" with "R". Just can't hear it in me head 🤔

whiskeysourpuss · 06/08/2018 08:11

She also shared David Cameron's disbelief on learning that changing the vowel in 'twit' doesn't give you an equally-harmless, totally-inoffensive, safe-to-use-around-children alternative to 'twit'....

But it does in some places as up here twat is used to mean exactly the same as twit but in my accent saying "you're a twit" makes me sound like a pretentious twat Wink

longwayoff · 06/08/2018 08:14

Oh no. I've just remembered Pall Mall. My mother used to call it Pell Mell. I call it Pal Mal. Have heard it pronounced Pawl Mawl. Any definitives on this? And - sorry this post is Londoncentric - Marylebone. I say Mar le bun. Others Marry le bone. Some say Marrow bone. Offers?

ThisIsntMeHonestGuv · 06/08/2018 08:18

Oh, and if a Scottish person ever asks if you'd like a 'boogie', make sure that they're a nice, normal person inviting you for a lovely little dance rather than an oddball offering you a somewhat less-than-lovely bodily product....

One is a boogie. The other is a bow-gey (to rhyme with toe).

Easy!

These threads would be so much easier if the non-rhotic speakers would phonetically spell things with 'ah' rather than 'ar'. Which I believe would be more correct anyway.

(not a linguist though)

ThisIsntMeHonestGuv · 06/08/2018 08:21

whiskeysourpuss, here too, twat is a synonym for twit.

'oh you daft twat' in English would be 'oh you silly billy' or similar.

MikeUniformMike · 06/08/2018 08:24

CountFosco
I would pronounce Colonel as kernel but without the rhotic r
She says KeRRRnell.
I would say Lefftenant.

ChuffingNorah · 06/08/2018 08:47

The aitch/haitch argument is absolutely regional. Here in Northern Ireland it used to be one of the few ways you could tell a Catholic from a Protestant without knowing any other information about them. I believe the Catholic HAITCH pronunciation may be something to do with the Irish language. Either way, it would be very ignorant indeed to instruct someone here that they were "wrong" to pronounce it haitch.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 06/08/2018 09:08

But it does in some places as up here twat is used to mean exactly the same as twit but in my accent saying "you're a twit" makes me sound like a pretentious twat wink

My head hurts now.... Grin

Alltheprettyseahorses · 06/08/2018 09:23

Bit of a way upthread now, but 'we went' is certainly not ungrammatical, unless you prefer a very convoluted 'I and she and he and she and the dog went to the park'

Another upthread - it is The Wirral, not Wirral. The Asda is also correct Wink

RoseWhiteTips · 06/08/2018 09:25

Somebody thinks “We went...” is wrong? Riiiight. She might be on the wrong thread.

RoseWhiteTips · 06/08/2018 09:28

We should of went - wrong. Obv. Makes zero sense.

isupposeitsverynice · 06/08/2018 09:49

I have a good friend who says rant to rhyme with aunt. I love her but it does my head in. Someone will tell me it's perfectly acceptable for some reason I'm sure, but it sounds so wrong to me. We're both southerners, if it's relevant Grin

whiskeysourpuss · 06/08/2018 10:05

@isupposeitsverynice I say rant to rhyme with aunt but say ant the same way - which word am I saying wrong? Confused

liz70 · 06/08/2018 10:32

"we went' is certainly not ungrammatical"

Eh? Confused Of course it isn't. The argument was that "we've went", "I've came", "she's ran" etc. are incorrect.

MenaMecca · 06/08/2018 10:34

Yeah, it was "we've went", not "we went" that was mentioned as grammatically incorrect.

liz70 · 06/08/2018 10:38

"Aunt" and "ant" sound the same in many parts of Northern England. Similarly, bath, grass, vast, master, plaster etc. - the first syllable is a short "a" to rhyme with hat, not hart.

Nothing incorrect about it - just regional variation.

FeralBeryl · 06/08/2018 10:41

One that used to come up on these threads and massively flummox me, was 'chest of drawers' not the usual 'I know someone who says Chester Drawers' but more that they'd heard Drawers pronounced as Draws.
Try as hard as I might, I cannot pronounce them differently! Grin does anyone remember - was it a Scottish one?
Always causing havoc you lot...

WaxOnFeckOff · 06/08/2018 10:53

Yep Draws and Drawers. It does my head in. Someone suggested it should just be changed to Draws anyway since it sounds exactly the same.Confused

violets17 · 06/08/2018 11:07

Ah - the glottal stop, the bane of my life. Worse when combined with a habit old fashioned dyed in the wool Londoners have of changing an L to a W. As in rather than shortening Gary to Gaz they shorten it to Gal and THEN pronounce it Gahw - argh. So bottle is boh - uh (no T no L).

You have the glottal stop on a K as well and mix it with MLE (multi cultural London English) and like becomes Lah. One of my DCs tried the MLE glottal stop like on me - he didn't do it twice. Another DC does say aLmond - I'm letting it slide, for now.