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'A Liar should have a good Memory,' Trump thread cont.

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lionheart · 30/07/2018 02:58

Quotation from Quintillian, I believe (unless someone was fibbing about that too).

Old thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3309032-Has-Trump-Turned-Traitor-Trump-thread-continued?watched=1&msgid=79826824#79826824

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cozietoesie · 05/08/2018 03:14

.... The Washington Post reported Saturday that Trump has told advisers and close confidantes he doesn’t believe his son knowingly broke any law, but said Trump Jr. could have unwittingly crossed a legal line.....

Poor wee soul. Grin

cozietoesie · 05/08/2018 03:16

....confidantes.....? (My bolding.)

ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 07:07

Image via Shutterstock

Following on from the thread re paid crowd actors which North highlighted above, this is a really worrying (and anti democratic) development:

'The 'hire a crowd' business operates openly and makes journalism even more difficult'
amp.poynter.org/news/hire-crowd-business-operates-openly-and-makes-journalism-even-more-difficult?__twitter_impression=true

lionheart · 05/08/2018 08:09

Trump Jr is just a kid who doesn't know any better, after all.

That is dangerous, ohmy.

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ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 08:20

we didn't treat their candidates for these positions the way they're treating ours
I have a feeling this may not be an entirely accurate statementHmm
POLITICO
@politico
"I'm tired of partisanship and frankly, we didn't treat their candidates for these positions the way they're treating ours," Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said of Democrats opposing Kavanaugh's confirmation due to "dumbass" partisanship
mobile.twitter.com/politico/status/1025057330436747267

PerkingFaintly · 05/08/2018 08:20

Wow. That article about paid crowds, and the impact on public discourse. Extracts below but it's worth reading the whole thing. Shock

The 'hire a crowd' business operates openly and makes journalism even more difficult
amp.poynter.org/news/hire-crowd-business-operates-openly-and-makes-journalism-even-more-difficult?__twitter_impression=true

The last thing I want to do with this article is to give oxygen to conspiracy nuts and hoaxsters who claim mass shootings and terrorist attacks are the work of crisis actors and "fake flag" operations.

But in New Orleans, paid actors disrupted a city council vote that will affect every person in that community who pays an electric bill. The Lens, an IRE award-winning non-profit investigative newsroom, found that the supporters were paid actors hired from a Los Angeles-based firm called "Crowds on Demand."

"At least four of the people in orange shirts were professional actors. One actor said he recognized 10 to 15 others who work in the local film industry," Lens reporter Michael Isaac Stein writes. "They were paid $60 each time they wore the orange shirts to meetings in October and February. Some got $200 for a 'speaking role,' which required them to deliver a pre-written speech, according to interviews with the actors and screenshots of Facebook messages provided to The Lens."

One of the demonstrators, Keith Keough, said he was paid to clap, "every time someone said something against wind and solar power."

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[Rothbart] interviewed Adam Swart about the demand for fake crowds:

Crowds on Demand, he says, serves several clients a week, sometimes a day — most in L.A., San Francisco, and New York but an increasing number in smaller cities like Nashville, Charlotte, and Minneapolis. When people inquire about a potential event, Adam guides them through the possibilities and the approximate costs: $600 for fake paparazzi at a birthday dinner; $3,000 for a flash mob dancing, chanting, and handing out fliers as a PR stunt; $10,000 for a weeklong political demonstration; $25,000 to $50,000 for a prolonged campaign of protests. According to Adam, protests have become the company’s growth sector, and just as with advertising, repeat impressions are key. “When the targets of our actions see that we’re going to be back, day after day, they get really scared,” he says. “We’re in it for the long haul, and the problem’s not going to go away on its own.”

"When I was around him his phone was ringing nonstop," Rothbart said. "I think what he was doing is effective, it works, because people do trust it when they see crowds."
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The Lens' Michael Stein said he worries that this incident may bog down important public debates in the future.

"Mostly, the people who show up and get involved in public issues are real grassroots movements. But it could be that in the future when you do not agree with what somebody is saying people will say 'who are those people? They are not real, they are not even from New Orleans, maybe they are just paid actors,'" he said. "This could be a reason to ignore the opposition, the voices you do not agree with."
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Rothbart, the reporter who landed the job inside Crowds on Demand said his experience makes him reconsider how journalists always feel a need to "cover both sides" of a story.

"If there is some event where people are for something and protestors show up the media's rightful instinct is to talk to both sides. And on the news, the opponents might command half the story," he said.

But what if the opponents are not really opponents at all, but people who are just hired to be opponents?

"The takeaway for me," Rothbart said, "is not to distrust the media but to distrust the crowds."

And, importantly, go to the meetings. As newsrooms shrink, in-person reporting gives way to social media videos of meetings standing in as our witness. This story unraveled because journalists spotted the unfolding story with their own eyes.

lionheart · 05/08/2018 09:07

It is quite something, isn't it?

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lionheart · 05/08/2018 09:16

White erm ... power.

'A Liar should have a good Memory,' Trump thread cont.
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lionheart · 05/08/2018 09:26

If you were trying to discredit a certain group of white supremacists, this is how you would dress your paid protesters.

But they obviously don't need any help. They can get the job done all on their own.

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ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 11:50

Love letters straight from his heart
Keep them so near while apart:

www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/08/04/trump-kim-letter-north-korea-asean-762423?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 11:54

Correction, lion, white power dressing Wink

ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 12:09

^CNN reported that Gary Click, a pastor and member of the Ohio GOP's State Central Committee, delivered the prayer ahead of Trump’s remarks, asking for God to “protect our President and his family with a shield of faith, Lord.”

“That shield of faith against the fiery darts of the wicked one, Lord, against that jungle journalism that extorts the truth and distorts honesty and integrity every single day, gets in his face with lies and mistruths and innuendos," Click continued.^

The corrosive deviancy of stuff like this makes me wish there was a vengeful and righteous God ready with a few well directed ⚡⚡⚡followed by a long appointment with👿

ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 12:16

Warren has not said if she will run for president in 2020. But Richmond asked her what, if anything, had changed since her decision not to run in 2016, Warren replied, “Two words: Donald Trump
www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/08/04/elizabeth-warren-2020-criminal-justice-system-racist-762428?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 12:31

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
Shouted questions are still a matter of concern for Bill Shine. He had Kellyanne Conway walk him through the arrival of a foreign leader this week, including if opportunities might arise where questions could be asked. (link: www.cnn.com/2018/08/04/politics/donald-trump-manafort-trial-week/index.html) cnn.com/2018/08/04/pol…
'Trump escalates old fights this week, starts new ones'
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/08/04/politics/donald-trump-manafort-trial-week/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1025817441191047169

lionheart · 05/08/2018 13:25

White power dressing it is ... Smile

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ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 13:43

He only worries about the Oafspring in the sense that he regards them as merely extensions of himself, or if their actions may be a threat to him. If it came to a him or them showdown, he would ditch any one of them with a lying litany of self-comforting self-justification. Self-preservation is all.
... Trump has confided to friends and advisers that he is worried the Mueller probe could destroy the lives of what he calls “innocent and decent people”— namely Trump Jr., who is under scrutiny by Mueller for his role organizing a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton. As
@matthewamiller
Also, this is a lot of stupid packed into just one paragraph.

Still, Trump has confided to friends and advisers that he is worried the Mueller probe could destroy the lives of what he calls “innocent and decent people” — namely Trump Jr., who is under scrutiny by Mueller for his role organizing a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton. As one adviser described the president’s thinking, he does not believe his son purposefully broke the law, but is fearful nonetheless that Trump Jr. inadvertently may have wandered into legal ­jeopardy.
www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-at-a-precarious-moment-in-his-presidency-privately-brooding-and-publicly-roaring/2018/08/04/4b463842-9736-11e8-810c-5fa705927d54_story.html?__twitter_impression=true
mobile.twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/1025828318803841026

cozietoesie · 05/08/2018 16:51

The Trump Slump.

US tourism hit

ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 17:10

OMFG
Chuck Todd
@chucktodd
This is outrageous. I’m sorry, I don’t know what else to say to someone accusing me and my colleagues of causing war. I know he’s baiting us to respond. I’m taking the bait in hopes that rational folks realize this is wrong and dangerous.
@realDonaldTrump
The Fake News hates me saying that they are the Enemy of the People only because they know it’s TRUE. I am providing a great service by explaining this to the American People. They purposely cause great division & distrust. They can also cause War! They are very dangerous & sick!
mobile.twitter.com/chucktodd/status/1026081978842603522

ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 17:16

..... doth protest too much, methinks:
Bill Kristol
@BillKristol

If this kind of meeting was totally legal and done all the time, why has Trump been so insistent he didn’t know about it?
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!
mobile.twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1026087936507269120

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