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AIBU to quit?

42 replies

LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 12:24

I’ve played violin in an orchestra for about five years. Last year they were one committee member short so I volunteered. As the orchestra is a charity this meant also becoming a Trustee. I enjoyed it because the committee meeting was at the pub on the last Sunday of the month and I’m quite isolated since being a mum so it meant a lot to me to have that little bit of social life.

Earlier this year a new person joined. Certain people decided they’d prefer their new friend on the committee instead of me. They wrote a letter of no confidence to the secretary complaining I didn’t put in enough effort and they wanted me replaced after the summer break. For the record I’ve put in more effort than some others, it was just an excuse to replace me with their friend. It’s within the rules for them to do that but I was really hurt because it felt underhanded and mean. I thought they were my friends and if they thought I was struggling I’d expect an informal chat not a letter discussed and written behind my back.

The letter of no confidence was signed by 8 people and the secretary said they’d have to take a vote from the full orchestra. This started an argument about what the rules said should happen and how it should be done, it went on for some time and it was getting quite heated. In the end the new lady said she changed her mind and didn’t want to cause this fuss, and she shook my hand and said please just retain your seat. Nobody objected.

The next day the secretary called to say the lady had made a complaint that I’d cheated by retaining my seat without a vote. I pointed out that it was her suggestion! But apparently she complained she didn’t mean it like that and the rules required there to have been a vote. Some of those who signed the letter had also contacted the secretary to say they supported the complaint. The secretary informed me that a complaint had also been made to the Charities Commission regarding my cheating to remain a Trustee. This complaint hadn’t been made by the lady but by the vice chair who dislikes me and imo was driving the whole thing.

I was incredibly hurt and offended at the accusation. To me it sounded like the lady had a fit of conscience and backed out? She seemed happy at the time. Then afterwards the others had said why did you do that! And persuaded her to complain.

Shortly after I received another phone call to inform me that another musician had made a complaint to the secretary that 4 of the 8 people who signed the letter had been texting other orchestra members earlier in the day, telling them they were planning to hand in this letter and push for a vote that night, and trying to coerce them to vote for this other lady. The complaint was that this was unfair and manipulative behaviour. To me it was just the last straw.

Suffice to say I felt victimised and bullied. I told the secretary I quit from the entire orchestra. 8 people is nearly a quarter of the orchestra and I don’t see how I could continue to associate with people who obviously dislike me so much?

But now I’m wondering if AIBU to quit my only hobby and give up the friends I had among the rest of the orchestra, and let these people just have their own way without a fight? I’m wondering if I should have said ok let’s vote? But then there would still be bad feelings regardless of the outcome. I can’t see them just accepting it if I won? I’m so desperately sad to give it up but I have a baby and I really can’t be bothered with this hassle and nastiness when it’s supposed to be a fun hobby. I don’t think I could look those people in the face and have a friendly conversation with them any more. I’m heartbroken because I thought they were my friends.

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DontCallMeCharlotte · 27/07/2018 12:35

I'm sorry this has happened OP. You'd think this kind of behaviour would be left in the playground.

What do the rest of the orchestra say? Has no one championed your cause?

I must say I would be quitting too and I would be absolutely heartbroken as well but I'm not sure I'd want to be in the same room as these people.

I'm guessing there isn't another nearby orchestra you could join?

I would also be vigorously challenging the complaint to the Charity Commission with no holds barred.

fairypuff · 27/07/2018 12:40

That's hideous behaviour OP. Flowers

I would be extremely upset in your shoes and would definitely not go back. Not sure about complaining but I would be making it crystal clear in my letter of resignation that it was the bullying and hurtful behaviour of a minority who were the reason for it.

Utter bellends. You have my sympathy OP. Come join my orchestra, we are much nicer!!

LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 13:00

I posted an open letter on the orchestra Facebook group saying why I was leaving. Four people have contacted me to say I should come back, they would back me up in saying that everyone was present when the lady said I should just keep my seat and nobody raised an objection, so that counts as the motion being passed. So 4 people want me to stay, 8 want rid, and the other 30 couldn’t care less. I don’t think I’d feel comfortable or happy in that environment.

I’m just devastated. And DH is saying I’ve cut my nose off to spite my face, because now they have what they wanted and I’ve lost my only social life and my hobby that I loved.

FWIW I think out of the 8 who signed the letter there are 2 who signed it because they want their friend to have my seat on the committee, 2 who just want rid of me because I’m opinionated and since I’ve been on the committee they can’t have all their own way, and 4 who signed it because their sister/bf/mum asked them to.

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LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 13:08

I’ve been told that since I’m no longer a Trustee the complaint to the Charities Commission won’t be pursued any further. I’ve just checked their website and on the Committee page the new lady’s name is listed. So they’ve got their own way and have got away with bullying me out. One of the people responsible is someone who regularly posts on Facebook about bullying awareness etc.

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Poptart4 · 27/07/2018 14:21

Is it too late to take back your resignation?? Id hate to let them win like that. Id also be looking to make a n official complaint about the way you've been treated.

Failing that is there another orchestra you could join? If its something you love then you should definitely find a way to continue it.

hornbeam · 27/07/2018 14:24

Write a long letter to the Charities Commission, enclose every scrap of evidence that you have, and tell them exactly what has happened.

Just for the record.

Disfordarkchocolate · 27/07/2018 14:25

Can you complain to the charity commission? Also, has the new member now been elected without a vote?

Coffeethrowtrampbitch · 27/07/2018 14:29

What hornbeam said.

And you sound lovely, join something else with nicer people who appreciate you

Bombardier25966 · 27/07/2018 14:38

What kind of a charitable organisation is it? Do you have a copy of the constitution?

LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 14:45

The new member has filled the post I left vacant. There’s no vote if there’s a vacant post and only one person wants it. Same as there was no vote when I joined because I was the only applicant for a vacant post.

I hate to let them win but don’t see how I can feel comfortable and treat these people as friends/colleagues any more.

I’m actually doubting myself now because half a dozen people are saying I’m in the wrong and I’ve cheated. The rules do say there has to be a full vote in the event of a proposal to remove someone. But the other woman actually stood up and shook my hand and said I don’t want to cause this conflict so let’s drop it and you just keep your seat, and nobody disagreed. The chair said well if nobody has anything further to say then I’ll hand over to the conductor, and we played for two hours and had coffee afterwards with absolutely nothing being said. But apparently I cheated by keeping my seat without a vote? Because I should have said No to the suggestion?

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Di11y · 27/07/2018 15:09

You didn't cheat, the chairman should have enforced protocol. They didn't. At most there should be a vote at the next meeting, but presumably she didn't want the seat at the time, so there wasn't a vacancy or if there was, you were the only one who wanted it?

GabriellaMontez · 27/07/2018 15:15

It sounds like a few absolute bastards have really got stuck in. Is there another orchestra because I wouldn't want to be around this lot?

Of course you've not cheated. A couple bullies have just manipulated the rules to suit themselves.

longwayoff · 27/07/2018 15:18

Oh OP you need a hide like an elephant to survive as a committee member, in my experience. Absolute hotbeds of backstabbing and jealousy with resignations constantly being waved around. NEVER volunteer again. What happened was minuted of course so the record will show the events of the evening. If not minuted then that will also contravene the constitution like the ridiculous scrabbling over your seat. Frankly these people are not worth the time of day. I advise you to resign from the committee but stick with the orchestra unless another is available. Remember. Don't volunteer for this again. You will probably be asked as your experience is not unusual
and committee places are hard to fill for obvious reasons.

kenandbarbie · 27/07/2018 15:29

They sound horrible. Is there another orchestra you could join?

Winterbella · 27/07/2018 16:04

These are disgusting people OP but I wouldn't let them win stand up and show them that your not to be walked over! Flowers

emma2939 · 27/07/2018 16:11

I am absolutely amazed that grown ups act this way...... disgusting behaviour.... sorry OP Flowers

itswinetime · 27/07/2018 16:11

I can't see anyway you would have enjoyed goning after all of that! So even if you stayed and dealt with the bitchness the conclusion would have been the same anyway. Leave them to it if the run things that poorly I can't see it being drama free again. Are there no alternatives where you can still enjoy your hobby even if it's on a smaller scale?

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 27/07/2018 16:16

Could you find a chamber music group to join (or even start one with some of your actual friends from the orchestra)?

WineIsMyMainVice · 27/07/2018 16:18

This is so awful, you poor thing. Are these people grown adults? They’re certainly not behaving like it.
Could you try and find yourself another orchestra or hobby?

Thelittlethingsinlife · 27/07/2018 16:18

That sounds awful. I don't see how you could have continued there so don't have any regrets. It's very sad but it sounds like it was impossible for you to stay on. Can you still see those people you were friendly with in another social setting?

Catinthecorner · 27/07/2018 16:36

Contact the four who were nice and let them know you’ll be happy to meet up for a cuppa or an informal jam if they fancy.

If you’re near me I’ll go to the pub with you (billy-no-mates here)

LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 16:55

I’m not convinced the chair should have enforced a vote to replace me with someone who said she changed her mind and didn’t want to replace me? What would be the point? He simply said well if nobody has any objections we’ll just drop it then.

There are other orchestras I could join if I drive a bit further. But I’ve been in a few music groups over the years and they always seem to be full of spiteful egotistical bullies. I’ve seen them bully other people out of the orchestra in the past. It’s just never been directed at me before. And I’ve been in this group for years and I genuinely thought they were my friends, which is what hurts the most. I’ve left and literally nobody has contacted me or said let’s talk about this. I don’t think I can go crawling back now and I don’t think anyone is bothered anyway. I just wanted to know if I was in the wrong without realising or if I was BU to quit.

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Thelittlethingsinlife · 27/07/2018 17:04

The problem with these kind of organisations is that they aren't like a workplace where there are, in theory, measures in place to manage poor behaviour and protect you. People are left to run wild with their own nasty agendas. I'm sorry you've lost out here. I don't agree you cut off your nose to spite your face, by the way. Your confidence would have suffered a worse blow if you kept on going.

longwayoff · 27/07/2018 17:44

There will be written policies in place for protecting volunteers however your initial approach, I expect, would be expected to approach the very people who have caused the problem. This is not good however their grants and funding

longwayoff · 27/07/2018 17:49

Dammit. Didnt mean to post that. However the problem is obvious. You can cause a lot of irritation or you can let it go and join another group. I hope you find one you like.