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AIBU?

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AIBU to quit?

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LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 12:24

I’ve played violin in an orchestra for about five years. Last year they were one committee member short so I volunteered. As the orchestra is a charity this meant also becoming a Trustee. I enjoyed it because the committee meeting was at the pub on the last Sunday of the month and I’m quite isolated since being a mum so it meant a lot to me to have that little bit of social life.

Earlier this year a new person joined. Certain people decided they’d prefer their new friend on the committee instead of me. They wrote a letter of no confidence to the secretary complaining I didn’t put in enough effort and they wanted me replaced after the summer break. For the record I’ve put in more effort than some others, it was just an excuse to replace me with their friend. It’s within the rules for them to do that but I was really hurt because it felt underhanded and mean. I thought they were my friends and if they thought I was struggling I’d expect an informal chat not a letter discussed and written behind my back.

The letter of no confidence was signed by 8 people and the secretary said they’d have to take a vote from the full orchestra. This started an argument about what the rules said should happen and how it should be done, it went on for some time and it was getting quite heated. In the end the new lady said she changed her mind and didn’t want to cause this fuss, and she shook my hand and said please just retain your seat. Nobody objected.

The next day the secretary called to say the lady had made a complaint that I’d cheated by retaining my seat without a vote. I pointed out that it was her suggestion! But apparently she complained she didn’t mean it like that and the rules required there to have been a vote. Some of those who signed the letter had also contacted the secretary to say they supported the complaint. The secretary informed me that a complaint had also been made to the Charities Commission regarding my cheating to remain a Trustee. This complaint hadn’t been made by the lady but by the vice chair who dislikes me and imo was driving the whole thing.

I was incredibly hurt and offended at the accusation. To me it sounded like the lady had a fit of conscience and backed out? She seemed happy at the time. Then afterwards the others had said why did you do that! And persuaded her to complain.

Shortly after I received another phone call to inform me that another musician had made a complaint to the secretary that 4 of the 8 people who signed the letter had been texting other orchestra members earlier in the day, telling them they were planning to hand in this letter and push for a vote that night, and trying to coerce them to vote for this other lady. The complaint was that this was unfair and manipulative behaviour. To me it was just the last straw.

Suffice to say I felt victimised and bullied. I told the secretary I quit from the entire orchestra. 8 people is nearly a quarter of the orchestra and I don’t see how I could continue to associate with people who obviously dislike me so much?

But now I’m wondering if AIBU to quit my only hobby and give up the friends I had among the rest of the orchestra, and let these people just have their own way without a fight? I’m wondering if I should have said ok let’s vote? But then there would still be bad feelings regardless of the outcome. I can’t see them just accepting it if I won? I’m so desperately sad to give it up but I have a baby and I really can’t be bothered with this hassle and nastiness when it’s supposed to be a fun hobby. I don’t think I could look those people in the face and have a friendly conversation with them any more. I’m heartbroken because I thought they were my friends.

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Fifthtimelucky · 27/07/2018 17:55

Were there any other string players that you got on with? Contact the nicest 3 and play as a quartet.

LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 17:58

I’m not the one who caused irritation. I’d have to grit my teeth and pretend what they did to me never happened. There’s no point staying because they’re clearly not my friends, which is hurtful because I genuinely believed they were. At least I’m no longer questioning whether I’m at fault anyway. The general consensus is they’ve been spiteful to me.

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Teacherlikemisstrunchball · 27/07/2018 18:01

Orchestras are full of egos (voice of bitter experience here) and I’ve heard shocking stories from friends who’ve ended up being strong armed and guilt tripped into being on the committee and then tossed aside at a moments’ notice. I was in an orchestra for years as a member and then was told via email that they were reauditioning everyone and people ‘needed to be prepared for disappointment’. A couple of new members who were cronies from music college had joined and got on the committee and then performed a coup and got rid of the leader of the orchestra who’d helped set it up, sacked the conductor and got one of their friends in etc etc etc. I just left, I was travelling a long way for rehearsals etc and didn’t need the stress. Played with another couple of local orchestras in the last few years but don’t want to commit so prefer to moonlight if they need extra players for specific things. too much backbiting!

LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 18:03

Sadly I’m only good enough to play as part of a large group where I “blend in”. I’d have to find another large group to join. Anyway it isn’t so much about the group as the fact I feel betrayed by people who I honestly thought were good friends. I have Aspergers and find it difficult to judge people so maybe they were never good friends? I don’t have any other friends so this is a devastating loss for me. Thanks to all who have offered helpful suggestions.

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Teacherlikemisstrunchball · 27/07/2018 18:03

It’s definitely them who’ve been horrid, not you, so I would leave. It would be awful to be with them knowing How they’d behaved.

kimber83 · 27/07/2018 18:09

Tbh, the whole situation sounds full of drama and has been really unprofessionally handled by everyone involved - from their lack of governance enforcement, gossipy groups talking about it, lack of a clear process to address your bullying concerbs, to your posting an open letter on Facebook... Messy and embarrassing!

None of us know how much bad behaviour they're truly guilty of, because we only have your viewpoint, but regardless... I think you need to step away, focus on positive next steps, and move on, for your own sake - you can't change what's happened but you can try to move on with your head held high. Seek alternative groups and friends where the slate is clean.

LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 18:18

I don’t see what’s wrong with using Facebook to let people know why I left. Otherwise no doubt they’d have made up some lies and hushed up the bullying and coercion. At least I made sure everyone knows what they did.

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kimber83 · 27/07/2018 18:23

Because airing private Trustee bad blood on Facebook is unprofessional - you're in a legally defined role as head of the organisation/a representative and it's not appropriate as a channel, beyond perhaps letting folk know you're moving on after X date and wishing them well as an org.

It serves no practical purpose other than bring drama. You will and would have damaged the group by airing it on Facebook, including putting people off from joining it in future, or marring the reputation of even the people who sympathised with your treatment.

kimber83 · 27/07/2018 18:26

Also to add - there should have been a process to engage in for bullying issues (it would have been part of your role as a trustee to ensure effective operation management is in place!). If that fails, the charity regulator (s) applicable for the org may have been able to mediate/signpost to impartial mediator services.

LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 18:35

I didn’t say who was guilty of bad behaviour. I just stated the facts and asked people to tell me who was at fault.

They got together behind my back and wrote a letter saying they wanted to replace me with Sarah because I’m too busy now I’ve had a baby. Didn’t ask me if I actually was too busy or if I needed support or anything. Contacted people to tell them what they were doing and asked them to vote for Sarah. While keeping it a secret from me and anyone they thought might tell me. There was disagreement over how to handle the vote so Sarah said she changed her mind and didn’t want to replace me after all. Subsequently she made a complaint about herself and said she shouldn’t have been allowed to step down and the chairman should have made sure a vote took place. It seems nuts to me but several others supported her and said I was a cheater because I accepted there not being a vote.

The consensus seems to be that IANBU to feel bullied and victimised but I’m willing to be told otherwise if anyone feels the facts show that IABU.

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LlamaPyjamas · 27/07/2018 18:45

The practical purpose served by my Facebook letter was to prevent them covering up why I left. Imo the group has been much more damaged by bullying and nepotism than by my letter. If the truth about their mean behaviour puts others off joining then it’s well deserved.

There are procedures for bullying and harassment but it’s very much one rule for some and a different rule for John who’s been there for 30 years and Sandra who they can’t afford to lose because she’s so talented, etc. Not to mention that the trustees who bullied me would be the ones in charge of investigating any complaint, and obviously they aren’t going to convict themselves of misconduct!

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Fifthtimelucky · 29/07/2018 22:55

One of the great things about music is that, however good you are on your instrument, you can always find someone else of a similar standard to play with (though probably less true of pianists).

I'm pretty useless, but I have still played in quartets - just not very good ones. There are lots of arrangements out there if you're not up to the real thing and 2nd violin parts are easier than 1st violin parts!

Mrsmadevans · 29/07/2018 23:18

I am so sorry OP but tbh l think you are well out of it . What a horrible group of ppl , be glad you are not associating with them and possibly being thought to be like them.They have done you a huge favour and l know it doesn't seem like that now , give it time and go to another group and l am sure you will be much happier. Good Luck.

Sevendown · 29/07/2018 23:23

So sorry this has happened to you.

Walk away with your head high and find something else where you are appreciated.

Barbie222 · 29/07/2018 23:25

You must be so hurt. However, I think you lost some face with the open letter and look on a par with the pettyness. I'd be tempted to cut contact entirely. After a bit of water's gone under the bridge, you could always approach one of the 30 neutral people to see if there was anything you missed at the time. By then you might not want to though!

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flowerpott · 29/07/2018 23:54

You're right to quit, don't waste your time with these people, they sound all sorts of horrible. Find a new orchestra to play with, or another group to join, I'm sure you'll find new friends quickly.

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