To want to move to another country?

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Before Brexit kicks in?

I know, I know, scaremongering yada yada. And I’m not saying I want to flee whatever the cost because I’m soooo scared of what will happen after we leave the EU. Maybe it will be fine..? I think best case scenario is it will be quite hard for a bit but will get sorted out in time. So still not all that great, unless one has a good reason to stay? That’s my theory at least.

So, the thing is, I am entitled to and could easily apply for two passports other than British. One (non EU) because I was born there and also an EU country, because one of my parents was born there. I also have some family still in the EU country. I have no family in England. DH does, but we don’t see very much of them at all. It’s quite complicated, but there is a lot of favouritism towards dh’s sibling and it’s quite hurtful. DH doesn’t seem to mind tbh, but I find it really sad and am hurt on his behalf.

DH has a very good job in London, but in a precarious industry. He is a professional and has a charter ship etc so skills are theoretically transferable. I am just about to go back to work, as a low earner, but in a job I could do, pretty much anywhere. We have a fairly big mortgage. One I absolutely couldn’t pay I Dh lost his job. We also bought at almost peak price so would only get a little more than what we paid for it if we sold now. After fees we would get back about what we paid for it. If we end up in negative equity and dh has no job... well you see the problem.

The best reason to stay is that dh’s job may not even be effected by Brexit and then if I’ve encouraged him to leave it to move elsewhere and he can’t get back into his profession there, I imagine that would cause a lot of resentment.

Dh sees no reason to leave and is very calm about everything. But he can be a bit too calm sometimes.

AIBU to think we, in our specific circumstances, should move to another country? Not asking if everyone should vacate the uk or anything!

rainbow

“FGS, yet another hysterical Brexit post.
YANBU, off you pop, bye then. See ya”

“YANBU if that's how you feel, see ya, bye then.“

Oh and then you know the rest. Lots of “haha this is farcical! The op said she was sooooo scared and now says she isn’t scaremongering silly op! ....what’s that? Oh I missed the not? Oh still though op must be being hysterical, why else would she want to leave BEFORE Brexit?”

Sorry, I’m having to paraphrase some as I’m on my phone, but hopefully I’m not too far off what you said rainbow? Sorry if I’ve misinterpreted.

Fwiw, as I said already in the thread I thought maybe before Brexit so it would be easier for my family to join me before we leave and have less free movement of people.

And yes, I think some of your posts have been unnecessarily hostile and a bit childish. Sorry. I’m sure that’s not how you meant for them to come across.

And yes element, it’s been quite the snarlfest on here, but hey ho.

YANBU. Off you go and apply for that passport, since that seems relatively easy to get. Better have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

The other questions are difficult to answer without a crystal ball. I know what I think but it's your decision, and it depends on how optimistic or otherwise you are about the UK's prospects, and what your personal risk tolerance is. It sounds as if your husband believes everything will be fine and dandy, but he may not take responsibility for the consequences if his optimism turns out to have been unwarranted. IMO you are right to worry about your exposure to the housing market, and you might consider selling and moving the proceeds into USD and/or euro accounts. What you do next and how you do it depends on your own particular circumstances and future plans. Personally I don't plan to be in the UK in March, but I have less to lose by emigrating than you and DH do (i.e. no own home or high paid career).

Good luck OP, it sounds as if you have the resources and intelligence necessary to mitigate the risks of Brexit.

Oh still though op must be being hysterical, why else would she want to leave BEFORE Brexit?”

If you really aren't panicking about what might or might not happen, does seem strange why there's a pressing rush to get out before.

And yes, I think some of your posts have been unnecessarily hostile and a bit childish. Sorry. I’m sure that’s not how you meant for them to come across.

"If that's how you feel, see ya, bye then, off you go."
Not meant to be childish, just saying if that's how you feel, bye then, find a country you don't feel as worried in.

And yes, I think some of your posts have been unnecessarily hostile and a bit childish. Sorry. I’m sure that’s not how you meant for them to come across

It's so ironic that you're saying this.

rainbow

I’ve just explained that it’s because after the uk leaves the eu, even with me having an eu passport, it may become more difficult for my children and husband to come with me to the eu country. Technically, we could all move right now, as we’re still part of the eu. Obviously, nobody knows yet what will happen to British passport holders living in eu countries after Brexit, but if I had an eu passport and family already living in that country with me, maybe even considering naturalisation, I would be more hopeful that we may be able to stay there together. What I really hope is that British people living in the eu already will be able to stay as they are. If that happens, then it would be better to already be in the eu country in question.

The other concern is trying to leave after any significant drop in the price of our house. As I said in my op, we unfortunately bought at almost peak price.

It's so ironic that you're saying this

I think rainbow was quoting me back to myself semster.

I think rainbow was quoting me back to myself semster.

Ah that makes much more sense.

I’ve just explained that it’s because after the uk leaves the eu, even with me having an eu passport, it may become more difficult for my children and husband to come with me to the eu country.

The other concern is trying to leave after any significant drop in the price of our house. As I said in my op, we unfortunately bought at almost peak price.

You've answered your own questions, OP!

Here's hoping that those of us without EU passports will be allowed to stay.

If you get the US passport you’re liable for US tax, whether you live there or not. Don’t get it unless you need it.

We came to the conclusion that if things go wrong and one of us lost a job, it would mean a massive change to our life and finances. An opportunity for career progression abroad came up for my DH and we decided to take it and be in Europe over Brexit. We are just getting settled in and feel like we have done the right thing. We might go back or we might not, for many reasons. From practical point the move was quite expensive and it was to get a truck at the time we needed as all companies are super busy. If you can get the move covered by company that would be best.

I would imagine that there are lots of people who really don’t want to move but can and will if post Brexit there are issues.
Then even practical things like flights and movers are likely to be affected.

If you are seriously considering moving as an insurance “just in case” I would do so before to get any possible benefit

At the risk of bumping this and therefore opening myself up to more people, who haven’t read the op or my subsequent posts properly, screaming “HYSTERICAL REMOANER” at me... Please don’t btw and read the whole thread please.

I just wanted to respond to Apehouse in case anyone finds this helpful.

As I was born in the USA, I automatically am a US citizen. This happens at birth. There really aren’t many exceptions. If you’re born there, you’re already a citizen, regardless of what passport you hold and your parents cannot renounce citizenship for you or opt out of you becoming a citizen.

All US citizens living abroad have to file tax returns. The passport you hold makes no difference to this. I only discovered this myself recently, (and did so by reading Mumsnet)! I have had to get RL advice to help me file taxes retrospectively. I can’t renounce US citizenship, even if I wanted to, (I don’t), until I’ve filed taxes. This is the advice I've been given anyway.

I do wish that people that feel like you OP, with your feet half out the door and loyalties in other places, WOULD leave. Wittering on about choosing the best country out of the multiple ones you "belong" to is intensely irritating. You clearly value economics above all things so why don't you just go to whichever country is going to pay you the most money?

Then the rest of us, who feel and have attachments to our countries beyond a paycheck, can be free of your incessant whining.

Well done OP, as you predicted when you bumped your thread - within 10 minutes you attracted one of the “best”

Well, it’s not really my fault I have no family here is it? Believe me, if I could click my fingers and have family nearby, I would 🤷‍♀️. As it is, I have ILs who couldn’t give a shiny one about my dh, my dcs or me, dh’s job and not an awful lot else to tie me here. That’s not my choice. Can you honestly say you’d feel differently in my circumstances?

It’s certainly not just economics though. I suppose I identify most with the EU country, as that’s where I grew up, went to school and where I still have family. So it’s more complicated that which country will give me more money, fwiw.

I have always had a bit of a hankering to move to the states, but that’s probably just because I watched too many American films and tv programs growing up .

What a miserable arse you are scatterolight Maybe you could ignore these types of threads so we don't need to listen to your irritating crap about loyalties, paycheck (did you mean cheque?) etc

Thanks red. T’was a slightly miserable post from scatter, but it does raise the point (again) that my loyalties / patriotism is not really to the UK. I couldn’t hand on heart say I’m British Bulldog, Blighty, Rule Britannia etc etc all the way. Which is why I’m considering leaving. If I was a hardcore British patriot I imagine I wouldn’t even think about it. I’d stick to MY country through thick and thin. But as it is... 🤷‍♀️

I'd apply for other passports and see how things play out perhaps? I'm with my dad's view that 'things are normally more boring than people expect'. Not that Brexit will be good, but I suspect the badness will be slower and less dramatic than some people are expecting.

I tend to agree with your dad fwiw Echo.

I agree with Echo. Best to be prepared and have all of your options covered. Good luck!