To think school heads should be contactable in school holidays

[EloiseMinch]

A secondary head is likely to be on 70k+ and a primary head of 50k+. Those are high salaries for positions of senior management responsibility. AIBU to think they shouldn't just cut off completely in the school holidays?

Maybe some heads really are working in the holidays but I know the head at DC's school definitely doesn't. She is, for example, completely uncontactable from the end of one term to the start of the next.

StepBackNow
It's a shame isn't it? I think heads should be able to ban irritating parents from schools altogether. That can happen around here.

Schools can only ban parents from the schools grounds if they are deemed to be a danger to the pupils or staff.

The only thing that they can do to irritating parents is politely tell them to pack it in. (unless it steps in to harassment)

@auditqueen, spot on, spot on.

Oh how we laugh!

And then start remembering other similar parents.

@BoneyBackJefferson

Nope, my DH is a headteacher and he can and has permanently removed DC with parents who refuse to support the decisions and ethos of the school.

@MissusGeneHunt

Who said anything about 'excluding' anyone? I said 'permanently remove'.

The head teacher is not on holiday as they receive no pay for this time off. The pay they receive during the holidays is for the time they have worked during term time. They essentially work on a contract but have the payment spread out over the years. How is this fact still not known? So as has probably been asked of you- would you work during your holidays? Would you do work if you were not bring paid for it? Heads and teachers do not sign up to be contactable 24 hrs a day every day of the year. Get real.

@SunShades... You either Permanently Exclude or Fixed Term Exclude. To 'permanently remove' is to 'exclude'.... Unless all of a sudden I'm on the set of Pulp Fiction, and you're 'taking care' of them...? Please do give your version of permanently removing a pupil or a parent, sorry, am lost.

So, to clarify, as a head I am not contracted to work during the 13 weeks holiday. That is my holiday and I could absolutely choose to have no contact with School or parents during that time. This isn't part of my paid time. You may think it's too much holiday but that isn't your decision. Heads have all been teachers (who you seem to think are deserving of the holiday) and I can guarantee heads will all tell you their job is harder and more stressful and not competitive to the pay.
However, saying that, I always work during my "holidays" and am contactable via email for all. I was once told off by a teacher for responding to a email once on my honeymoon. I don't have to though and not paid for that. I deal with all that out of term crap on my own time. I don't resent it but I do resent when parents like you are so self absorbed and entitled that they can't see how much of our own lives we give up to deal with their (often petty) problems.

SunShades

Unless I miss my guess "permanently remove" is either permanent exclusion or manage move.

In state schools one is illegal if done on the behaviour of the parent, the other can only be done with the agreement of the parent.

@MissusGeneHunt (and everyone else biting).

Perhaps you might want to look at @sunshades posting history such as this thread (though all 'her' contributions are similar) before spending too much energy replying.

donquixotedelamancha

Ah, the late to enter, wobbly desk, mouthy daughter getting kicked out a an exam wanting an apology woman.

A classic.

@BoneyBackJefferson. Yep 'she' who:

• locks her employees in the office.
• doesn't let employees eat.
• sacks them without notice or process.
• suggests 'sensory deprivation' as a punishment for children, just for 12 hours or so.
• 'actual cells' in schools for children.

On another thread she denies being the poster who referred to a deputy headteacher. DH seems to vanish and reappear as needed. That's just the content of 3 threads, can't be arsed reading the rest.

@donquixotedelamancha.... Many thanks!! I see now that I rose to a delusional troll.

Ah, the late to enter, wobbly desk, mouthy daughter getting kicked out a an exam wanting an apology woman.
Aw no - a hairy hander! Can anybody post a link to the above? I need cheering up and this looks like a good one! I've done a quick search and can't see it. TIA 😃

donquixotedelamancha
You beat me to it. Tread with caution everyone.

“That'd be you as governors not having a duty of care for the head's work-life balance, which I'm sure you wouldn't want to get wrong.”

The headteachers work life balance is actually fuck all to do with me as a governor @VickyEadie

Although I agree we’re
Talking emergencies not random parent emails

Nope. Wrong.

Staff wellbeing is exactly your collective responsibility as a GB. That includes the HT

perhaps you need some training about what your role is

Having been a governor for many years, I can honestly say I've never known any discussion of the head's work/life balance. We assume he's a grown up who can sort that out for himself without us nannying him, and indeed it would really be intrusive if we started demanding to know what he does in the school holidays.

Nope, my DH is a headteacher and he can and has permanently removed DC with parents who refuse to support the decisions and ethos of the school.

He really can't. Any conscientious and law-abiding governor would overturn a decision of that nature, and if they didn't the independent review panel would direct a review with a view to reinstatement. Repetition of unlawful conduct of that nature would be a sacking offence.

Obviously permanent removal without parental agreement is permanent exclusion.

MissusGeneHunt, have a look at SunnyShades' posts too. Though obviously there is no relationship whatsoever, and obviously it is pure coincidence that Deputy Head SunnyShades has uncannily similar attitudes to discipline and excluding children if their parents don't toe the line to those expressed by SunShades' husband in this and other threads.

@AlpacaLypse Dent, Yorkshire Dales - 0 signal on all but 3

Are you wanting to send her a postcard? If not, why would you want to contact her in the summer holidays? I have several DC, and have never felt the urge to contact their head teachers during the holidays. I have always felt grateful to them for having put up with my DC during term time, and have felt that this alone would warrant a very long holiday.

@GnotherGnu.... I did! Wonderful entertainment!!

I'm not talking about what a HT chooses to do in their much deserved time off

The overall role and responsibilities of the gb include staff wellbeing

I don't always agree with Pengggwn, but i agree with everything she's said on this thread.

Interesting. Sunshade's comments about her dh 'removing' parents are exactly the same as Sunnyshade's on this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3295867-AIBU-School-says-sports-day-on-Saturday-is-compulsory

Except here she is the 'senior deputy headteacher' (still don't know what that means) and has parents removed from her school for not attending sports day on a Saturday!

That's quite some fantasy. And a distinct lack of imagination namechanges.

This has been going on for a while - on another thread, with another username, the poster claims that her school shuts at 3.45pm and any uncollected children are rounded up by a social worker who just drives around on the off chance.