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to ask wtaf is going on with the Met Police?

124 replies

whatyadoing · 22/07/2018 23:00

I was a victim of crime last night (serious crime and was in ongoing danger). I reported the crime at approx. 1.20am (999), they eventually made their way to my HOME address at 6am at which point I was home (no fucking thanks to them!).

I rang 101 this evening to discuss said crime and was on hold for 23 minutes at which point I gave up holding.
Wtf?
Is there something I should know about? What has Theresa May done now or am I just living in a particulary cunt of a bastarding place in London?

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RhythmStix · 23/07/2018 08:29

I had occasion to deal with the police (N London) WRT an ongoing issue affecting my teenage dd a couple of years ago and they were really excellent - thorough, pro-active and supportive.

The continued paring down and reduction of resources, officer numbers and reduced training is an absolute scandal. What the hell did Tory voters think they were voting for? The decimation of the public sector in this country is utterly disgraceful. Hmm

GeorgeIII · 23/07/2018 08:33

Yes, it's crazy that police are having to deal with tweets and txts by the million. Perhaps people will learn how to store txts themselves (don't we all have cloud space now) and be able to produce them if they are in a police involved case of say being stalked or accusations of rape, eg from an ex bf or gf. It can't be impossible. And surely you the accused have an idea of the dates to search rather than the police searching everything.I can see this being used maliciously but in that case the other person in the case can come back with disproving evidence.
Also improving mental health provision is one way to go. I know this isn't the police but there was recently the case of a prisoner committing suicide when the prison staff did not respond to his call. He had attempted suicide 5 times prior to this, FGS if someone has attempted suicide 5 times they shouldn't be locked up in jail.
Many the police are dealing with are mentally ill, or elderly dementia sufferers.

KathyBeale · 23/07/2018 08:34

Treaclesoda, I rang 101 a while ago because on my way to work, i’d seen a road rage attack. A man had got out of his car at a roundabout and started hitting the car in front with his walking stick - hard enough to dent the car quite badly. The driver was a woman with a child in the back and she drove off when she could leaving the angry man in the road. I wrote down his reg and reported it when I got to work. The person on 101 said it was only a crime if the victim reported it and wouldn’t even take my name and contact details until I asked him to. I asked if murder was a crime if the victim didn’t report it and he just laughed. I still see the car round about here; always wonder if anything happened to the angry man.

lostincake · 23/07/2018 08:40

If we want more police then the money has to come from somewhere else, such as cutting the NHS, defence or Social services. All of which are already suffering from a lack of funding.

Or the Foreign Aid Budget.

IrmaFayLear · 23/07/2018 08:40

The decimation of the public sector in this country is utterly disgraceful .

Is that a joke? Do you have any idea how large the public sector is? How much it expanded ? How much it costs?

Devilishpyjamas · 23/07/2018 08:46

Well the public sector isn’t meeting statutory duties now (I have a severely disabled son, I cannot begin to describe the impact of the cuts on his life).

I find most people who go with the ‘oh it needs to be trimmed’ have absolutely no idea what it is like to try and care for someone extremely vulnerable in the current market.

They’re also a false economy. My son ‘should’ cost the taxpayer about 5k a week. He’s currently costing 12k a week because everything went tits up in part because of the cuts.

viques · 23/07/2018 08:49

User if your litter lout friend had disposed of her cigarette butt properly in the first place the traffic warden would not have had to speak to her at all .Alternatively If your litter lout friend had apologised to the traffic warden and spoken civilly to them then the traffic warden would not have had to call in additional support to make sure they could do their job without being treated so badly by your rude and abusive friend.

It is people like your litter lout friend wasting police resources who are adding to the workload of police officers and whose entitled behaviour says more about them than perhaps they realise.

And please don't say "it was only a cigarette", litter is litter and your friend is disrespecting everyone who bothers to take their rubbish home or dispose of it properly, I for one hope she got fined for being a skanky litterer. if she really wants to know what litter lout enforcement is like I suggest she books a holiday to Singapore.

user1457017537 · 23/07/2018 09:05

Viques please grow up if you think a cigarette that goes down a drain is an arrestable offence that warrants a Tactical Support Unit. How was my 60 year old friend on her way to the office a threat to anyone. She volunteers for animal charities and Al-Anon andbus a trained Councellor.
Wind your neck in

PaintedHorizons · 23/07/2018 09:06

I was attacked - the police came very quickly when I called 999 and were lovely BUT said that realistically they were never going to be able to find the attackers. I also knew that even if they were caught the consequences for the assault would be minimal.

I tried to report two things via the website - important but not urgent - but the website wouldn't let me. I had to ring - and be subjected to a recorded message asking me to use the website.

Under resourced - massively so.

Plughole3 · 23/07/2018 09:09

The cuts have undoubtedly gone too far & there is far too much red tape however I do think it’s disingenuous to think that no cut backs should have happened. I’ve dealt with the police in the past & have some friends in the Met, there was a lot of waste & inefficiency.

As a 30 something I don’t want to pay more tax. I’m already paying a ridiculous amount for a property that was 90% cheaper 20 years ago. Is the NI I’ve been paying since I was 17 going to entitle me to a state pension or free NHS? Doubt it.

agedknees · 23/07/2018 09:14

User, I would think your litter lout friend was abusive to a council employee, that’s why the police where called.

PaintedHorizons · 23/07/2018 09:15

I also don't want to pay more tax - and don't think more money is the way to go. It is the waste that is so heartbreaking. Stupid, stupid waste of money everywhere. Much of it is to keep the media and the twitter warriors quiet.

Plughole3 · 23/07/2018 09:21

PaintedHorizons Depressingly I’m pretty sure there is going to be an increase in tax in the next year or so, whether it’s income or VAT. That’s a whole other thread though!

PaintedHorizons · 23/07/2018 09:26

I think so too Plughole3
And all that does is make work less attractive - but as you say - a whole other thread

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 23/07/2018 09:41

I don't live in London but just outside. When I had to call the police over a violent disturbance 18 months ago they were totally fucking brilliant. I was so impressed by their professionalism and good humour. As the old advertising slogan went, they didn't make a drama out of a crisis.

They deserve better - not to be under resourced until they can't do their jobs properly.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 23/07/2018 09:47

*User1457017537", first your friend was late 50s, now she's 60. And she volunteers for Al Anon? They're all volunteers. That's how Al Anon works, ffs. Bit of embellishment going on here. Stop digging is the usual advice.

Train101 · 23/07/2018 10:32

@user, may I point out that most likely the tsg unit was the only unit available in the nearby area, and therefore they were sent.
They didn't think your friend warranted a public disorder unit, it was the only one available.

bluemoonchances · 23/07/2018 10:46

Train exactly what you said. Nearest available resource. Clear User would have preferred for them to not go and wait for a single crew officer to be available half an hour later. Some people have no idea and applying a bit of logic is far to much of a stretch , it would ruin their reason to criticise and hate.

InappropriateGavels · 23/07/2018 11:04

As someone has already said, unless you work within the police, you have absolutely no idea. So here's a reality check.

I took a £10k pay cut to join the police because it's something that I've always wanted to do, it's a calling, it's a vocation, I desperately wanted to help people and it's not about the money. I work in the lowest paid front line policing role throughout the entire country, yet I live in one of the most expensive areas of the country to live outside of London. Even a PC's starting salary can be as low as £19,971 and they are expected to run towards danger while the rest of you run away from it.

On a daily basis we take reports of things that 5 years ago may not have been considered a crime, but now because of Home Office recording statistics must be reported as such - things like someone being abusive on Facebook - and this takes up an immense amount of our time. There aren't enough of us to deal with this as well as to deal with the emergencies.

Emergencies always take priority. If someone calls the police and needs assistance immediately, police will get there.

If someone calls and says that they were assaulted two hours ago it will be treated differently, it does not require an immediate response, it is fine that police do not attend for a day or so, a statement can be taken at a later date because the parties are separate, police have established that the injured person is in a safe place and given further safeguarding advice. Arrangements are made to see them at a later date, and they are seen. Just because it's not immediate does not mean that the police aren't taking it seriously.

Each investigation is assigned to an officer who is entitled to days off, holiday, and to be ill because they are human just like the rest of you. If they're going to be off for a long time the case should be taken over by someone else temporarily, if there is someone else available. Some of these officers have huge amounts of cases - I've heard of officers having in excess of 100 active investigations due to the budget cuts and a lack of staffing. Can you imagine having such a massive workload of such serious issues?

When investigations are on going it can be difficult to identify a suspect. Was there CCTV? Were there any witnesses? If people refuse to come forward it's even harder - there's very low risk to people coming forward so it's frustrating when they refuse to. If there are no lines of enquiry then it's tough to push through with an investigation and people may need to understand that more - if there are no identifying factors how can the police identify who has committed a crime?

When you call 101 you may have to wait for quite a long time - each call can take a while to deal with this is because as much detail has to be taken, nothing can be missed, mistakes cannot be made, every risk has to be identified. Care has to be taken especially if it is someone reporting domestic abuse for the first time in 30 years, that shouldn't be expected to be banged out in a 7 minute call, the person making that call has taken a lot of courage, so they need to be treated with respect and care.

It's not a case of just "get more staff" budget cuts mean that isn't possible and lots of people have already been made redundant, there is no debate on that statement the police cannot afford to get more staff, end of. There are now approximately 27,000 police officers in London to protect and serve 10 million people, the lowest number there have been in years. The government have this idea of Direct Entry to plug the gap, just getting people in with no policing experience - it will end in disaster.

A lot of people also confuse "the police doing nothing" with the justice system doing nothing. A lot of the time the CPS refuse to charge because of a lack of evidence or it not being in the public interest - this isn't the fault of the police, this is the CPS deciding that it's not worthwhile, that there isn't enough public money to be spent taking it to court because it's not worth the public interest.

Sometimes the public do not help police or themselves/each other - they see someone lying in a doorway, they call police and refuse to check to see if the person is okay or even breathing so police and ambulance have to respond to someone who turns out to be drunk and has laid down for a nap. It's really common for people to refuse to check if someone is still breathing or conscious even in dire situations - it's like the caring has gone out of society.

Police staff and officers are human, the amount of abuse that we take is unfair. Every single day I am abused by people I have never met for absolutely no reason whatsoever, these are people that I am trying to help. The abuse is often personal and directed at me not at the police service, people threaten to kill and harm me while making entirely unreasonable demands of the police and they believe their behaviour is acceptable. It's not and it is detrimental to people's work and health, it also prevents the police from dealing with real emergencies.

The police do absolutely accept people's frustration at the current situation. Nationwide, the police are underfunded and understaffed, look anywhere online at any news outlet and you will see this reported. You'll see how patrols are going out single crewed which is extremely dangerous, you'll see a reduction in dog units, a reduction in helicopter availability, and overall reduction in staff and officers due to a lack of funding but a massive increase in a reporting of crime. These two things cannot work together and the situation must be reversed. Until it is, things will continue to get worse.

Redglitter · 23/07/2018 11:05

Of course people wouldn't have to wait for ages for 101 to be answered if call takers weren't tied up with the number of people who want to 'log' every little thing that happens to them.

worridmum · 23/07/2018 11:17

One of my local towns with a populationg of 300,000 on a saturday night had 22 officers on active front line duty 10 years ago this weekend the town had 2 cars and 3 officers on duty.......

Tell me cuts are not effecting anything.

Butterflykissess · 23/07/2018 11:18

I always see threads like this on here but have had a very different experience myself. My son called 999 a few months ago and they were round here within 10 minutes flashing blue lights!

Butterflykissess · 23/07/2018 11:19

Son is 4 and it was an accident. I was mortified!

Storm4star · 23/07/2018 11:59

@InappropriateGavels

I get your point about the CPS but my case didn't even make it that far. It got dropped because a crucial piece of evidence wasn't taken when it should have been due to no one being available. That is budget cuts. I'm now in the position where I need to complain about my case but most likely the individual officer will be blamed when it wasn't his fault entirely. But I have to take it further because this is my life that's been messed up. I do blame budget cuts though, not individuals.

VelvetSpoon · 23/07/2018 14:59

But it was the same story before the cuts, and in the previous Labour administration. And there was always an excuse why it wasn't anything the police were doing wrong.

Institutional racism and sexism, pursuing people for minor breach of bail conditions when there are sexual assaults, stabbings, muggings etc on a daily basis, tell me more about what a stand up job the police do. Or are their outdated attitudes, frequent lack of knowledge of legal procedure and heavy handedness all because they are understaffed? Right Hmm

I live in an area where moped crime is on the rise massively. The police turn a blind eye to all uninsured mopeds and their unlicenced drivers who are the main group committing these crimes. I know because some of them live in my street and nothing has been done.