Nursery sending out photos to other parents

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My daughter had a sports day at nursery on the last day of term. At the event we were told no photographs allowed however one of the staff members was taking photos and videos. Later that day a message popped up on WhatsApp and it was the nursery sending numerous photos and a video of the event. These photos include close ups of my daughter. On the joining form I have already expressed that I do not want photographs to be shared on websites etc. Am I being unreasonable to find this wrong? I find it disturbing that all parents have been sent these photos and now have a copy of them. The paranoia in me thinks what if one of the parents is a peadophile unlikey of course but you never know. Thoughts?

When did GDPR stop applying? It's only just come in, I've not seen anything to say it's gone already.

It doesn't matter why anyone wants to not have photos shared, it sounds like the nursery have majorly cocked up. They need to know

GDRP has not stopped applying and will not even after Brexit - just read the DPA 2018 as it is all clear.

However on the thread topic here the mother has not agreed to the photos being sent to anyone even in closed WA chat (where of course anyone can photograph the picture on the phone so not really closed in any real sense) so the school needs to tell parents who saw or copied the pictures they must destroy them. I doubt unless someone is in a witness protection programme or a UK spy in the class that the school will need to report the breach to the ICO but the school needs to realise it cannot do this again.

Yabu, it was a sports day. How did you think children in a race should be photographed. I appreciate that there are some at risk children but they could be photographed at any public place. We had our DC sports day recently and every parent had their phones and cameras out for their kids. I think you are ridiculous.

Yabu, it was a sports day. How did you think children in a race should be photographed. I appreciate that there are some at risk children but they could be photographed at any public place. We had our DC sports day recently and every parent had their phones and cameras out for their kids. I think you are ridiculous

What an appallingly ignorant post.

OP you are absolutely right to take this further, especially as you had already stated you don’t want pictures of your child sharing.

I haven't had chance to RTFT, but on most phones of something is sent via WhatsApp, it is backed up in the phones gallery, so even if it is deleted from the message it is still saved.
I would definitely raise it at nursery, also I'm not sure of these pictures were sent to parents individually or as a group message, individually would be possibly deemed to be ok and I would check that parents received pictures of their relevant child/ran.
However, if a group message was sent with all the pictures, they will have also provided mobile numbers of each parent to other parents.

Child/ren and not of other children there*

GDPR no longer applies in England. It has now been replaced with the Data Protection Act 2018 due to us leaving the EU. Most rules under GDPR does still fall under our new legislation though but just thought I'd point that out.

I have just completed an exam on GDPR, I assure you it still applies.

I’ll bite OP. Let’s say a paedophile gets hold of your child’s photo and photoshops it on the body of another child being abused, why are we supposed to care? Surely the problem is the child abuse happening to the original child in the photo and anyone else’s head photoshopped on there is just a pointless distraction.

Not this boring old topic again...nobody is particularly interested in your child other than you. If your child is in another parent's photo album it's probably because they're stood next to their own child.

I’ll bite OP. Let’s say a paedophile gets hold of your child’s photo and photoshops it on the body of another child being abused, why are we supposed to care? Surely the problem is the child abuse happening to the original child in the photo and anyone else’s head photoshopped on there is just a pointless distraction.

I am not asking you to care. Lets pretend for a minute that this actually happened to one of your children, you find a photoshopped explicit picture plastered all over Facebook, are you telling me you wouldn't even batter an eyelid? Yes the idea might be far-fetched or maybe not - it's a dark cruel world out there. You are missing the point, it's the fact that the nursery has allowed this to happen without my consent. I realise lots of you seem to find my views ridiculous but I am a private person and do not post photos of my children on any social media whatsoever.

Around 40 photos of the whole event have been sent in a private message to each parent. Some of these are group shots and some are individual, i.e. I have been sent photos of other people's children in individual shots - why would this ever be necessary?

Does that mean no child in your dd's school should have pics of sports day, concerts, award ceremonies, world book day etc just in case your dd gets in the shot?

Wouldn't it be easier all round if you ask school to exclude your child from all activities that may be photographed?

I am not missing the point as I did start by saying that if the nursery has an opt out of photos policy they should respect your opting out. That doesn’t mean that your reasons for opting out aren’t ridiculous - even you don’t know what they are, maybe a paedophile threat, maybe a paedophile photoshoper or maybe some odd version of privacy whereby you don’t want people who were already at the event to know that your child was at the event.

Managing the whole opting out of photos is a burden on the nursery. I can see why they would have to do that if there is an actual reason, e.g. children that have to be protected by abusive family members, but not for utter silliness.

Those who dismiss concerns with 'no-one is interested in your child except you' are fortunate. We have 2 kids at our school who are fostered. Utterly horrendous circumstances. Let your imagination go - it's probably happened to them. They have family hunting for them. Who are probably using social media in their hunt. Imagine someone takes a picture from what's app and sticks it onto FB. Those kids are in serious danger as a result. Fortunately, at our school, most people know the circumstances and all are keen to ensure the children are protected. I've watched members of the school community step in front of them when pics are being taken outside school, at village events, for example, when their carer is dealing with something else. No-one feels that their right to plaster a pic on FB is more important than these kids safety.
Maybe you have to actually be faced with children in this situation, to look at them and think 'this happened to you, not some nameless someone, but you, the child standing in front of me smiling at something' before you really get it.

Really Tatty? Tell you what kid. You've been abused and neglected, and now you are out of that setting and trying to work out what 'normal life' is, but as other people cannot live without a picture of their child in sports day, you can't do sports day, or the play, or the concert....

I'm not saying that the OPs kid is in this situation, by the way. Just realised how it looks from the way the posts go, but essentially Tatty is saying someone else's right to have a picture, and you don't know what they will do with it once they have it, is more important than a child's right to participate in school/nursery life. This Op just doesn't like pictures. But what if the reasons are stronger than that? And is a parent/carer going to be forced to disclose some extremely private info about a child before anyone listens because 'I don't want pics of my child appearing online' isn't good enough?

Yes but the OP’s reasons are not stronger than that or even reasonable in the first place. She’s piggybacking on people who have a legitimate reason to ask others not to take photos of their DCs to get an unreasonable request be respected.

That paedo parent could have been at sports day

“Surely the problem is the child abuse happening to the original child in the photo and anyone else’s head photoshopped on there is just a pointless distraction.”

Why do they bother to photoshop, you mean?
It’s so they don’t have a photo of a crying, distressed child and can perpetuate the myth that the child enjoys sexual abuse.
Now personally, I don’t want my child used to ease the conscience of these vile people.

Babybythesea

I am a foster carer. Some of my fostered children (not all - depending on their individual circumstances) have been, and are excluded from having pics taken in public settings. It's to protect them. They hate it. The school hates it. It has to be.

In Ops situation she is well within her rights to ask that her dd be excluded.

Other children should not have their childhood photographs taken from them because one mother objects to her child having her photo taken. Why should they?

How do you know your dd's photos have been sent to other parents if they came as an individual message to you?

Perhaps they personalised the message to each parent and the photos you received were of your dd and only of other dcs whose parents had agreed to them being shared.

Some of my fostered children (not all - depending on their individual circumstances) have been, and are excluded from having pics taken in public settings. It's to protect them. They hate it. The school hates it. It has to be

Excluding from activities isn’t the answer. It isn’t hard to ensure photos are available to everyone without at risk children in them.

Really, OP, there are far more important things to worry about. In public places anyone can take photos of your child. It isn't illegal.

If it helps, I never ever look at pics of other people's kids in school pics, not even remotely interesting so the thought that someone is thinking "ooooh all those parents looking at my child" amuses me a little

Excluding from activities isn’t the answer. It isn’t hard to ensure photos are available to everyone without at risk children in them.

Quite right. They are not excluded from the activities - except sports day - as our local school have a photo session at the end of the day when important events are taking place. School realise that children and their parents should be able to have photos of important events during their childhood.

If any parent or social worker objects to their children having pics taken they can choose to opt out. There's no problem with that. Some parents want photographs of their children. Others don't.

No parent should decide for others, based on their own thoughts. Every parent has PR for their own children and are able to make decisions for their own child. They are not able to make decisions for other people's children.

Except in the case of children where social services take PR. And this is in extreme circumstances. Nobody wants children to be excluded from events their peer group are involved in. Very occasionally this is necessary as the well being of the child is paramount.

Anyone who doesn't want their children photographed in school just in case a paedophile gains access to the photos can opt out. Simple!

A paedo could take a photo of your child in the street or park surely?